Help, marriage 1888 to early 1890, Drogheda, John Tiernan, Mary Anne Markey

[Foreversearchingforanswer]

I'm not on findmypast and the registers weren't scanned past 1880 on NLI unfortunately. I'm not even sure if the 1881 ones were done at Duleek or elsewhere.

The 1881 'baptisms' for all 5 is strange to me as the birth years went from 1855 to 1865 and they do appear in the registers for the birth years.

[Sinann]

Where did you find those baptisms?

https://www.ancestrylibraryedition.co.uk/search/collections/2195/?name=john_tiernan

"Ireland, Selections of Catholic Parish Baptisms, 1742-1881"

link on ancestry, so I haven't seen the source, which is always bad.

All I know about the possible parents to this person is she died in 1871 at Bellewstown, Meath, Ireland and left her possessions to her husband.

Thought process here is go through all likely candidates and eliminate them one by one, whats left needs further investigation. I have seen a few different people down as his father, and some indication he lived to 1929 after presumably leaving his wife, travelling to the west of Ireland alone and dying there, 24 years after his death.

On the 1901 census he put all the correct ages against his wife and children, which leads to 1862 or 1863 for him, if he did his correctly as well. Death certificate has an about 40 years' date.

Who is she?

What was the name of the person born in 1865 that these records claim was baptised in 1881?

First thing to establish is was the person born in 1865, that is see if they have a birth cert.
It could be a family  converting to RC over the course of a year, or each marrying a RC so needing to be baptised RC in order to marry, or its just a messed up transcription.
That said I don't see Baptisims for the two you listed in Duleek in their birth years.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0930

Can't use the link you posted but have you tried searching for these baptisms on Family Search?

[Foreversearchingforanswer]

First thing to establish is was the person born in 1865, that is see if they have a birth cert.
It could be a family  converting to RC over the course of a year, or each marrying a RC so needing to be baptised RC in order to marry, or its just a messed up transcription.
That said I don't see Baptisims for the two you listed in Duleek in their birth years.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0930

Can't use the link you posted but have you tried searching for these baptisms on Family Search?

1871 death is Elizabeth Townley, the mother of these 5. No records apart from 'wills and testiments' (although I don't need to look at possible brothers/father/cousin etc who witnessed these as its no concern at present)

No birth certificates for any of them.

They are on Duleek | Microfilm 04181 / 03 (see attached for 2 of them)

I did the same process for the Stamullin Tiernans, but no definitive link to my lot.

[gaffy]

Worth following up ?
James Carroll to Jane Tiernan age 21 dtr Thomas decd of The Dale at St Mary's ,Oct 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10917/5988497.pdf

found 1 daughter Mary Ellen 1886 The Marsh
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02603/1961612.pdf

not obvious to me on census

Further to that marriage in October 1884 (note the Farrell witness), the following looks like Jane as the informant of her mother's death 5 months earlier:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06325/4814140.pdf

So that would make Jane the daughter of Thomas and Mary Tiernan.  I can see 3 baptisms (RootsIreland) in St. Mary's Drogheda for parents shown as Thomas Tiernan and Mary Farrell: Mary Anne in 1851, John in 1859, and Jane in 1862. There's an 1876 death of a 46 year old Thomas Tiernan registered Drogheda which might be a possibility.

All pretty flimsy stuff, I know...

[Sinann]

Somewhere here
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635160#page/1/mode/1up
I can't see the dates on those images you attached.
But if they are in the parish register on NLI than clearly they weren't baptised in 1881.

[Foreversearchingforanswer]

All pretty flimsy stuff, I know...

The interesting thing about that is the address, Dale, this is where John Tiernan was listed as being in 1889 on the church register for the wedding.

The only extra information other than the date is that the Groom's address was Dale, and the Bride Duleek St.

I though though, that the only property at the Dale in Drogheda, was the workhouse.

Somewhere here

If you filter down its at the bottom of the page

[gaffy]

All pretty flimsy stuff, I know...

The interesting thing about that is the address, Dale, this is where John Tiernan was listed as being in 1889 on the church register for the wedding.

I though though, that the only property at the Dale in Drogheda, was the workhouse.

Look at the other entries on that (deaths) page, where it's the workhouse, it states that, but Dale gets 2 specific mentions.

[Foreversearchingforanswer]

I was looking at some old maps. I shall definitely spend some time looking at this, nothing else to do for the next few months.

Many many thanks to everyone.

[Sinann]

Or just post a link
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635160#page/14/mode/1up
Bridget at the bottom of the page baptised on the 15 April 1855.
not the 15 April 1881. The 1881 on Ancestry is likely just something to with how the record set is on their system.