Can you help me link these Langtons?

[Annie65115]

My 3gt grandmother was Elizabeth Langton, bapt early 1824 in St Mary de Castro, parents Joseph and Mary. Other siblings who appear in shared graves, and as witnesses on certificates include Eliza (b 1815) and John (b 1820) so I'm happy I have the correct Elizabeth. My stumbling block is her parents.

The first child I can find for Joseph and Mary was another Elizabeth (b and d 1812). I can't find any marriage for Joseph and Mary, prior to or after that. I wonder if it was this Joseph whose marriage plans to someone else in 1809 were scuppered by his fiancee's mother forbidding the marriage (banns online) and if he decided not to bother going official next time!

Anyway, I think Mary died around 1829 and Joseph seems to have married Elizabeth Peters in St Nicholas in 1831; witness Samuel Langton (and William Peters).

The censuses aren't helpful with getting Joseph's place of birth but I think he's buried in Welford Rd, and shares his grave with family members:

Joseph Langton buried 1857, age70, Eaton St   (so yob around 1787)
John Langton buried 1875, age 87, Northgate    (1788 ish)
Jane Nutt buried 1866, age 81, Wheat St       (1785 ish)
(plus Sidney Choice, 1902, age 16 days, and Kate Lygo, 1917, age 18 - may not be connected).

(Jane Langton m John Nutt in 1813).

Jane and John both give Gt Wigston as their place of birth on censuses.

I think it's likely that Jane, John and Joseph were siblings. But there's that witness Samuel as well (no further info about him). I can see possible baptisms for John and Joseph, parents Thomas and Elizabeth, in the rightish timescale in Gt Wigston but nothing for Jane, and no Samuel for the same parents either. (I don't need to move forwards, my 3gt grannie Elizabeth's further details and family are way too confusing to clog up this thread but I think I've got to the bottom of them!)

The family doesn't seem to have been literate so I'd guess that ages would be a best guess and not necessarily accurate.

Any ideas how these Langtons are connected? Many thanks to anyone who can have a look!

[willsy]

There's a will online for a Samuel Langton 8 Jun 1851 St. Nicholas; he signs the register for the marriage above Joseph and checking a few pages back from there, he signs again and Samuel's will has his occ. as Parish Clerk. I know it's a bit of a leap in time to the will but it details his family and wondered if it could help you at all.

He names wife Jane and there is a marriage to Jane Crew St. Nicholas 3 Mar 1814, witnesses Mary ?Palmer and Rowland Eagle.

[willsy]

It looks like he made the first will 1848 and then 1851 as Jane died, they lived in Bath Lane.

Leicester Journal 20 June 1851
On the 8th inst. Mr. Samuel Langton, Parish Clerk of St. Nicholas aged 58 years. On the death of his father, who served the office before him, he was appointed to it at the early age of 16, and most credibly held it up to his death, a period of 42 years. he held other public offices for a time with equal credit, and was very much respected in his parish, and in the whole circle of his labours.

From that, looking at St. Nicholas burials 1809, his father was Robert Langton

[Annie65115]

Thanks, I'll take a look at that.

Of course if Samuel was a parish clerk, he may just have signed the register because he could, in the absence of another suitable person; he might not be anything to do with the other Langtons.

[Annie65115]

Samuel’s will named a number of married daughters, plus a son, but there were no names that I recognised from my Langtons.

Perhaps this was a different Samuel - or perhaps, as I mentioned, it was pure conincidence that he had the same surname when he signed as a witness at Joseph’s second wedding.

I actually like that idea as it would mean that I wouldn’t have to struggle to try to fit him into my tree in the absence of any documentary proof.

[willsy]

Have never looked at the Langton branch in my tree but I have Mary Langton marrying John Moore 1835 St. Mary De Castro, I think her parents are William Langton and Hannah Wright looking at the registers which happens to be Wigston Magna. Have all the history forward for Mary Ann and was curious to see if you know this Langton branch.

[Annie65115]

No; my Langtons were a brick wall for many years, it's only recently that I decided to have a go at it. I thought for a while that they might have come from Enderby as that part of my tree is heavily Enderby-based, but I haven't found any likely baptisms for the relevant names and dates there, so I think we're looking at Wigston Magna too. But every possible spanner has been thrown in the works, from the registrar getting my Elizabeth Langtons father's surname wrong on Elizabeth's marriage cert (he put it the same as her groom's name!) and onwards! Hence the brick wall!

I only managed to confirm Elizabeth's family through her sister, who eventually shacked up with Elizabeth's daughter's father-in-law,  thereby giving me a handy link.

[willsy]

Have found Wigston a bit of a nightmare with my Hurst's there too, hope you have more luck than me

[Annie65115]

oh god, don't mention Hurst -- when I first started doing my tree, someone told me that Elizabeth's mother was Mary Hurst, but whilst she was indeed Mary, I've never been able to find her surname. So she could be, she might not be, who knows?

If Joseph, John and Jane were the offspring of Thomas and Elizabeth Langton in Wigston, which looks possible, then the waters are muddier still, as I noticed that one of the witnesses at Thomas and Elizabeth's wedding was -- yep, Mary Hurst.