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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 10 May 20 03:15 BST (UK) »
The 1857 passenger list for Hotspur shows the ages of the children with Theresa snr aged 47
Theresa 16, Helen 10, Philip 8, Augusta 7, Charles 5.

The occupation for Theresa looks like "keeping a school"

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 10 May 20 12:16 BST (UK) »
Hello Family Diggers - great stuff.
The next step is for those that have access to Electoral Rolls.
The following descendants of William Cecil bc.1810 with a need to locate the next generation.
Charles Henry Cecil b.1852. died 1928 BALWYN
Augusta Mary Cecil McQuade married 1907 BALACLAVA Alexander McPhail.
Edna Elle Key.died 2003 buried GOLD COAST m.Patrick Vincent Pawson.died 1976  CHELSEA.
Helen Cecil died 1916 BRUNSWICK  married John McQuade.
Thomas William Cecil died 1912 BRUNSWICK
William Alfred Cecil died 1902 MELTON
[father William Cecil also died 1882 in MELTON]
Arthur Cecil born CARLTON 1883.
Edith Ruth Cecil died 1940 in CAMBERWELL [& buried there]
George Cyril Cecil born 1894. lived in carramar Ave CAMBERWELL in 1940

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 10 May 20 13:25 BST (UK) »
I don’t understand your last post, Jack. What is it you want?

What is the source of your information?

Children of Thomas and Mary:

All about Edith Ruth Cecil: https://emhs.org.au/person/cecil/edith_ruth
Did not marry.
Funeral, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11315970
Probate, 3rd last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11307544
Burwood Cemetery Roman Catholic 7, Grave 275
CECIL Edith Ruth age 52
CECIL Mabel Glady age 56
Funeral: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205172440
Probate, 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205178561

George Cyril and wife at Box Hill Cemetery: http://www.boxhillcemetery.com.au/search/
Cecil   George Cyril RC-172-0035 20-12-1956
Cecil   Lillian Maude RC-172-0035 17/10/1949
George, death and funeral notices, type 9 in small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19561219&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Lillian, death and funeral notices, 1st and 4th columns: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22785851

Edith Ruth military record: https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=3223473

George military record: https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=3223480

Some of their siblings:

Phillip Howard:
Death and funeral notices, type 10 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19680517&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Sister Mary Hilda (this is Hilda Mary):
Death and funeral notices, type 14 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19590318&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
https://billiongraves.com/grave/M-Hilda-Cecil/25027969

Sister Mary Justina:
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Dismas-Binns/11591383

Arthur Philip:
Probate, 4th last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71666284
Box Hill Cemetery
Cecil   Arthur Philip RC-180-0015 29-7-1954

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 10 May 20 13:41 BST (UK) »
Jack Gee, now you have some actual death dates you can probably use Trove to find some death notices which may include names of the next generations. Roots chat policy doesn't allow mention of the names of people who are still alive so it might not be possible for us to post them here for you.

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #13 on: Monday 11 May 20 04:15 BST (UK) »
Another from your list:

Marriage: 679/1875 CECIL William Alfred to BLACKWOOD Christina

15052/1902 William Alfred Cecil
Death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9071582
Probate on PROV.
Wife: 4513/1921 Christina CECIL Date of grant: 31 May 1921; Date of death: 03 May 1921; Occupation: Widow; Residence: Mid Brighton
Melton Cemetery: http://www.ozgenonline.com/~Carols_Headstones/Melton.htm

Children mentioned in her will:

1876 William Alexander CECIL - married Ann - died 1959
Death and funeral notices, type 9 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19590224&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

1878 Ada Mary PITTMAN - died 1949
Death notice, 2nd page: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19490305&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Ada Mary PITTMAN Springvale Botanical Cemetery Cremated 2 March 1949

1880 Eveline Annie WAUGH - married Arthur John - died 1963
Death notices, type 6 into small white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19630108&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Funeral notice, type 10 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19630109&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Maffra Cemetery
http://www.australiancemeteries.com.au/vic/wellington/maffraozdata.htm
Note: Death of their daughter, Doris Marion, mentions their other children, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206914274

1883 Florence Elizabeth CECIL - not married - died 1968
Death and funeral notices, type 11 into small white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19681213&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Florence Elizabeth CECIL Springvale Botanical Cemetery Cremated 13 December 1968

1888 Robert Victor CECIL - married Mary Emilie - died 1960
Death notice, type 11 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19601108&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Mary death notices, type 10 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19570320&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Welshpool Cemetery
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Robert-Victor-Cecil/26048775
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Mary-Emilie-Cecil/17451058
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Robert-Bob-John-Cecil/17450439

1889 Sydney Thomas CECIL - died 1974
CECIL Sydney Thomas Funeral notice 8-4-1974 Cremation The Age (Melbourne) 6-4-1974
Sydney Thomas CECIL Springvale Botanical Cemetery Cremated 8 April 1974

1896 Rex Lisle CECIL - died 1966
Death notice, type 14 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19660615&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Rex Lisle CECIL Springvale Botanical Cemetery Cremated 15 June 1966

1901 Christina Blackwood CECIL - married GOULD - died 1964
Death notice, type 20 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19651204&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Christina Blackwood GOULD Springvale Botanical Cemetery Cremated 3 December 1965

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #14 on: Monday 11 May 20 05:41 BST (UK) »
WOW! Great stuff. You have all done good. This is the end of this segment. The idea was to build up a background/tree of the original William Cecil b.1810.This has been done beautifully with your assistance. Now to push on to finding a current live descendant to ask for their assistance in the Lord Burghley Thomas Cecil DNA Project thru FTDNA. With this material and Dr.Google i have been able to get a couple of possibilities. If this doesnt work then it was going to be a lot of legwork thru the generations via the Electoral Rolls. Not to mention luck.
Once agian many thanks your work is much appreciated.
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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #15 on: Monday 11 May 20 05:44 BST (UK) »
If any Cecil named persons who happen to read this thread and wish to be involved in the afore mentioned Cecil DNA study feel free to PM me and i will be happy to get you into the loop.

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Re: William Cecil and sons from Kenilworth to Melbourne circa 1853
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 12 May 20 03:13 BST (UK) »
Marriage:

13562/1870 CECIL Thomas William to ROACH Mary

Deaths:

5831/1908 Cecil Mary
Funeral notice, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article196092828

8877/1912 CECIL Thos
Coburg Pine Ridge Cemetery Roman Catholic B, Grave 78
CECIL Thomas 30-8-1912 age 73
(With children Augusta and Alfred

Children of Thomas and Mary:

515/1868 Theresa Mary - marriage 6114/1895 DOWNER Hy - died Perth 756 1940
Death notice, first column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46371331
KARRAKATTA CEMETERY ROMAN CATHOLIC Section IA Grave 0584
DOWNER Theresa Mary age 72 24-4-1940
DOWNER Henry William age 92 27-3-1958
Children:
24949/1896 Mary Amelia Cecile - married WA 7 1916 FARRELL Anthony J
KARRAKATTA CEMETERY ROMAN CATHOLIC Lawn 3 Grave 0168
FARRELL Anthony age 73 4-9-1963
FARRELL Mary Amelia Cecil age 83 21-4-1980
22752/1900 Hy Thos Cecil
KARRAKATTA CEMETERY ROMAN CATHOLIC Section PE 0132
CECIL Henry Thomas Cecil 27-4-1978
WA 3832 1905 Winifred Florence Dorothy Cecil
69 1908 William S C - married 546 1936 MOORHEAD Winifred M
Perenjori Cemetery
DOWNER , W. S. C. (Bill). 20 Mar 1908 - 30 Oct 1973. Husband of Win, father of D, Colin and B
DOWNER , Colin. Husband of Lesley, father of P and M. 2 Jun 1943 - 17 Jun 1984
DOWNER, William Samuel Cecil 65 Perenjori 31 October 1973
DOWNER, Winifred Martha   72 - 22 May 1989
DOWNER, Colin William 41 Perenjori 17 June 1984
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204418259/william-s_c_-downer
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188836057/colin-downer

547/1869 Augusta Frances - married 9697/1916 HAMMOND Chas - died 3334/1935
Coburg Pine Ridge Cemetery Roman Catholic B, Grave 78
HAMMOND Augusta Frances 3 May 1935 age 66
(With father Thomas and brother Alfred)
Husband, death and funeral notices, 1st and 3rd columns: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206906675
Ferntree Gully Cemetery C of E Section Row 3 Plot 17
HAMMOND Charles 1-12-1953

13562/1870 Thomas William - married 954/1893 RUNCIMAN Mary Susan - died 24 1935 Fremantle, wife died 185 1961 Fremantle
Thomas, death and funeral notices, 1st and 2nd columns: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article32840766
In Memoriam, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46292128
KARRAKATTA CEMETERY PRESBYTERIAN Section MON EE Grave 0701
CECIL Thomas William age 63 14-1-1935
CECIL Mary Susan age 87 27-4-1961
Child:
20840/1893 Leslie Howard died 13524/1893

357/1873 Alice Winifred - died 1865 1939 Fremantle
Funeral notice, 2nd column: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46426661?searchTerm=%22Theresa%20Downer%22&searchLimits=l-category=Family+Notices
KARRAKATTA CEMETERY ROMAN CATHOLIC Section IA Grave 0584
CECIL Alice Winifred age 66 24-9-1939

1875 Alfred Bernard died 6288/1940
Coburg Pine Ridge Cemetery Roman Catholic B, Grave 78
CECIL Alfred Bernard 6-7-1940 age 65
(With father Thomas and sister Augusta)
His wife, death: 8394/1950 CECIL Amelia Susanah
Death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206396389

21562/1876 Agnes Lillian - 4607/1959
Sister Mary Hilda (this is Hilda Mary) died 4607/1959 registered as Agnes Cecil
Death and funeral notices, type 14 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19590318&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
https://billiongraves.com/grave/M-Hilda-Cecil/25027969

1879 Sister Mary Justina - died 14275/1954 registered as Mary Monica Cecil
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Dismas-Binns/11591383

14808/1883 Arthur Phillip - died 8222/1954
Probate, 4th last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71666284
Box Hill Cemetery
Cecil Arthur Philip RC-180-0015 29-7-1954
Military record: https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=3223474

1144/1885 Mabel Gladys - unmarried - died 7886/1941
Burwood Cemetery Roman Catholic 7, Grave 275
CECIL Edith Ruth age 52
CECIL Mabel Glady age 56
Death notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205172440
Funeral notice, 4th last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article8195893
Probate, 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205178561

9290/1887 Philip Howard - married 7452/1918 MCNAMARA Kleen Mary - died 24265/1968
Death and funeral notices, type 10 into small, white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19680517&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Wife’s death: 2715/1964 CECIL Kathleen May
Death and funeral notices, type 12 into small white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19640212&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Children: 25805/1919 Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard Cecil
Event date: 27/01/1984
Event type: Death registration
Date of birth: 1920
Registration details: 1984/1015
Mother: Kathleen May McNamara
Father/parent: Philip Howard Cecil
Death notice, type 20 into small white box: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19840201&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Phyllis Mary Agnes
Death notice: https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/tributes/notice/death-notices/chalker-nee-cecil-phyllis-peg-mary-agnes/4278950/

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