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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Also note the following Togneri (Umberto) and Teresa Funia in Ballymagee Street Bangor having a son Giuseppe in 1917, maybe related:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01307/1540614.pdf 
Marriage of Umberto Togneri & Amelia Funai gives his father as Guiseppo Togneri-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09792/5554801.pdf
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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 13:21 GMT (UK) »

Adding to this...I found out that there were two women named Ersilia Togneri.  It's on my to-do list to figure out which one is which, but one of them did marry Arthur McGookin.  And one, maybe the same person, was born in 1914 and was the daughter of Maria Togneri (nee Cardosi).


If you have seen the 1941 marriage record, you should know who her father was.  What is his name?

The North Down Herald and County Down Independent of 23 January 1926 has a mention of a 50 year old Mr. G. Togneri of Ballymagee Street in Bangor Co. Down (now High Street), attending the Bangor Local Education Sub-Committee with his child Elsie Togneri in relation to Elsie's poor school attendance.

Also note the following Togneri (Umberto) and Teresa Funia in Ballymagee Street Bangor having a son Giuseppe in 1917, maybe related:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01307/1540614.pdf

I didn't pay to see Elsie's marriage record, because at that time I saw no reason to.  I did, however, see my grandmother's marriage record which lists Elsie as one of the witnesses.

That newspaper citation is helpful, thanks.  That G. Togneri (Giulio) is my grandfather, but in 1926 his age would have been 37 not 50.  He did have a daughter Elsie and he did live on that street in Co. Down.

I'm interested in this, because my grandmother had three kids with Giulio while he was still married to another woman (and not even Elsie's mom, but yet another woman).  And I can't find any of those birth records (one of which is my mother).

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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Also note the following Togneri (Umberto) and Teresa Funia in Ballymagee Street Bangor having a son Giuseppe in 1917, maybe related:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01307/1540614.pdf 
Marriage of Umberto Togneri & Amelia Funai gives his father as Guiseppo Togneri-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09792/5554801.pdf

That marriage record is helpful, thanks.  I think it proves that Umberto is my grandfather's brother...having the same father listed on both of their marriage records.

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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 19 March 24 14:00 GMT (UK) »
This is the birth record of the Elsie Togneri that I "know".  Father is that Giulio of High Street.


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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 20 March 24 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Okay, I think I was mistaken and there is only one woman named Ersilia (Elsie) Togneri.  I was confused by someone's family tree on Ancestry, which incorrectly reports her father as Umberto.

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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 16:41 »
Arthur John McGookin (born 1915) did in fact marry Elsie Togneri.  She is my mother's stepsister.  Do you have any information about her parents or siblings?
Arthur was my dad's uncle  my dad was Jim his brother was Sam  who went to live in Canada.   I know my mother will know  her brothers name he used to work in the chip shop with Elsie.  I remember her as being quite glamorous  with hair always swept up in a bun

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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 21:11 »
Arthur John McGookin (born 1915) did in fact marry Elsie Togneri.  She is my mother's stepsister.  Do you have any information about her parents or siblings?
Arthur was my dad's uncle  my dad was Jim his brother was Sam  who went to live in Canada.   I know my mother will know  her brothers name he used to work in the chip shop with Elsie.  I remember her as being quite glamorous  with hair always swept up in a bun

I think that chip shop was my grandfather's!  My mother has said that they had several restaurants, including a fish and chips place and an ice cream place, which she also worked in.  I put some of Elsie's information on WikiTree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Togneri-31

My mother was 10 when Elsie married.  It looks like Elsie and Arthur stayed in Ireland.  My mother left the UK in the 50's when she married my father.

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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #25 on: Today at 09:29 »
I spoke to my mum this morning she  said Elsie's brother who  worked with her in chippy was called Julio.  I remember him very well.  As far as I remember fish and chip shop also sold icecream  I  don't think there was a separate shop . But I  will check that out for u x

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Re: McGookin Family (East Antrim)
« Reply #26 on: Today at 09:32 »
Could you let me know what your grandfather's name was please x