GG grandmother look up request

[avm228]

there's an army record for John Lamb born Winchester St Maurice. He attested 22 Nov 1845 to the 55th Regiment of Foot when he was 24 and 6 months. He was an armourer, spent 3 years in Gibraltar, one in Turkey and was in Ireland in early 1851 as he was court martialled in Cork 19 Feb.  Left the service 18 Sept 1855.

Good find. He received disabling foot injuries in the Crimea on 17 March 1855, losing portions of both feet including several toes, which led to his discharge (at Chatham) a few months later.

[avm228]

Does OP have the marriage certificate to John Lamb, sorry if I have missed it but it does get confusing when other posts are involved.

Has anyone previously looked at this baptism
Charlett White
Baptism 06 Dec 1822
Winchester, Hampshire
Father George White
Mother Elizabeth

Also baptised - same date, same details - was William White. I suggest these two are likely to be the ones found in Newington, Surrey in 1861 (reply #25).

Newington was of course where Thomas Browning was from, and where the banns for him and Charlotte Lamb were read in March 1862.

If Charlotte “White” in Newington in 1861 is the right Charlotte, then it is puzzling that she is presented as unmarried rather than widowed - unless of course she had separated from the stricken John Lamb, and didn’t (yet?) know that he had died.

Frustrating that we don’t have the marriage details from 1842.

[rosie99]

Frustrating that we don’t have the marriage details from 1842.

I agree.  They should help solve it unless there is no father named 

[Zoe44]

Hi so sorry I havnt been online I’ve had WiFi problems for a few days!
Just reading all your replies now trying to take everything in, you’ve given me so much more info.

I have the index no. for Charlotte and John Lamb’s marriage 1842.
 
Vol 7 page 396

But not sure if that’s the correct info you were asking for? 

[avm228]

You’ll need the marriage certificate (which you can order from GRO Online using the reference details you have) in order to find out more. It should contain a name and occupation for Charlotte’s father which ought to help in tracing her origins further. Witness names can also be helpful, as can age at marriage.

What is the documentary source for her birthplace of Winchester and birthdate 1822-25? Has she been found in any census?

[Zoe44]

Thank you arm I think ordering her marriage certificate will have to be my next step in tracing her.

I have Charlotte in 1841 living in Winchester high street as a servant aged 20 and birth place Winchester but I’m obviously not a 100% certain it’s the correct record for her to be honest 

You’ll need the marriage certificate (which you can order from GRO Online using the reference details you have) in order to find out more. It should contain a name and occupation for Charlotte’s father which ought to help in tracing her origins further. Witness names can also be helpful, as can age at marriage.

What is the documentary source for her birthplace of Winchester and birthdate 1822-25? Has she been found in any census?

[Zoe44]

Hi Suz
Thanks for that info,
This side of my family is so confusing...
Do you mean you think her marriage was never officially registered in 1862?

The parish register has thrown me it’s very confusing!

The only “possible” census i have for Charlotte is 1841 living in Winchester aged 20

She had 5 children, 3 by John Lamb.

William 1843
Eliza 1844
Charlotte 1851 (My GG grandmother who’ve I’ve also never traced registered birth records for!)

And 2 with Thomas Browning.
Thomas 1863
Elizabeth 1865 
 

I can see banns for a second marriage 9 Mar 1862 Newington Southwark.

I found the banns but couldnt find the marriage -not even on the registers

I did find this which is a little strange
from Parish register
St Leonards Shoreditch marriage by licence
22 July 1854
Thomas Browning 50 W farmer Newton Northamptonshire father John Browning farmer
Charlotte browning 50 W St Leonards Shoreditch father Robert WHITE occ Farmer
witnesses William Browning Emily Wilton

very strange

could you give details of children and where Charlotte is living on the census

Suz

[avm228]

It seems to be 6 children rather than 5 including Louisa Lamb b 1856 Winchester, unless you have ruled her out.

There’s no evidence that Charlotte ever went through with a marriage to Thomas Browning, although banns were called. Perhaps baby Thomas arrived and they didn’t get around to the wedding.

[rosie99]

Just adding for now, the 1841 entry you have for Charlotte the servant who is living in Winchester states that she is born in the County (Hampshire) so not necessarily Winchester.