Henry Kimpton and Susan Trayte

[Benzol]

Henry and Susan (Henry's second wife) were married Oct/Dec quarter 1886 Holborn RD. I've traced this couple via Family Search and Freebmd through the ages. I'm left with a couple of queries.

1. Henry age 12 born Deptford, Kent, is living with his mother Mary and sister Mary in 1851 at Goldsmiths Place, St. Leonards Shoreditch Middx. Is it possible to lookup this record in its original manuscript form in order to confirm that the K. Kimpton recorded in Family Search is actually H Kimpton please?

2. Susan Kimpton (nee Trayte) has a recorded age of 7 in the 1861 census; 48 in 1901; 58 in 1911. She claims that she was born Clerkenwell. I'm unable to trace the birth. Can someone help please!

Does any Rootchatter have this couple in their family tree?

Thanks Benzol

[rosie99]

The 'K' does not look like the H in Henrietta lower down the page or the K in Kimpton. 

The other siblings of Susan have their births registered in Islington Reg District MMN Nixon.  It is possible that her birth was not registered.

[Benzol]

Thanks Rosie99

I fear you may be  correct about Susan Trayte birth record. I checked the whole of England without success  but assumed I'd missed something or the Freebmd records had missed something.

I am perturbed by your answer to Henry Kimpton 1851 census. If the letter is neither H nor K what do you think it might be? Everything I know points to the letter being H for Henry but if not it breaks the link.

Benzol

ps thanks for your prompt reply

[rosie99]

The GRO index is the best place to look for these early birth registrations as it lists the mothers maiden surname earlier than those shown on freebmd.   I do use it in conjunction with freebmd
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

It looks as though it could be an N, it is similar to Narcissus on the page before.

[Benzol]

Rosie99

Thanks for the advice, I'll look these chappies up in GRO. I don't think I've ever used the site; should be interesting.

The N is a disaster though! K and H is the obvious mistake. I hadn't considered N although given its the east end of London I guess 'Nry might fit. What do you think!

Benzol

[rosie99]

We just have to remember that the enumerator wrote down what he saw, perhaps they could not read what was written. Nry sounds good to me - do you have them in 1841

[Benzol]

Hi Rosie99
I was joking about 'Nry but who knows.

The story is an odd one. I came across Henry and his mother Mary in the 1841 census - Wallington Herts. The pair of them were living with a relative of mine Rose Barnes. Later on, after looking at the 1851 census, I found that Henry had a sister Mary. In 1841 she was living with one of Rose Barnes' sons who lived in London. I then found the Henry's birth recorded in Royston; strange because he claims that he was born London in all the records.

My interest lies in the possibility that Henry was the illegitimate son of another relative Thomas Barnes

[rosie99]

I realise that you were joking, it did make me smile.  I will have to look at it tomorrow now as dinner is on it's way 

[Ladyhawk]

I couldn't find a birth record either..... you are probably aware that she has a middle name

Susan Alice KIMPTON age   61 
1914  D Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 98

died 13 Nov 1914 probate 15 Jan 1915 to husband Henry Thomas Kimpton