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Offline gpneale

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Missing marriage.
« on: Saturday 13 June 20 19:23 BST (UK) »
Hi - just wondering if anyone could me to find a marriage that must have happened, but I can't find it!

Susan GILBERT b. Birmingham 1870 marriage to William (or possibly Charles) EARP b. Birmingham around 1867 (he is recorded on Ancestry as Hearp in the 1881 census.)

The marriage should logically have taken place in Birmingham, but may have been in the Chesterfield area given some of the other clues.

I've tried everything I can think of, so if anyone could suggest anything at all that would locate the event I would be incredibly grateful.

Neale, Stapleton, Lowe, Rusgrove, Mann.

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Re: Missing marriage.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 June 20 19:34 BST (UK) »
When & where was their first child born?

Susan was in hospital in Birmingham in 1901 & died 1904

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Re: Missing marriage.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 June 20 19:55 BST (UK) »
Found Oswald Gilbert Earp born 1896 Chesterfield mmn Gilbert

Leonard Grove Earp 1900 & Clarice Regina Earp 1902 Chesterfield

Oswald is with grandparents Charles & Clara Earp in 1901 - died 1904
Leonard is shown as the adopted son of Samuel & Jane Hartshorn
Clarice is with Earp relatives in 1911

Leonard & Oswald were baptised together on 13.2.1900.  Parents Charles William & Susan.  Father was an engineer

No obvious Earp/Gilbert marriage
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Re: Missing marriage.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 June 20 20:13 BST (UK) »
Her death cert is on a tree online & shows her as the wife of William Earp a weighing machine fitter

William was b 1868/69 Birmingham - parents Charles & Clara
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Re: Missing marriage.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 June 20 20:22 BST (UK) »
Thanks all - Clarice is my Paternal Grandmother, and the facts you've provided all check out.  Susan Gilbert (Earp) died when her 3rd child (Clarice) was only 2, the 2 previous children died in infancy.  Pretty much the only thing I don't have is that marriage.  Susan is indeed named as the deceased wife of William Earp, and Clarice's birth cert has William as father and Susan (nee Gilbert) as her mother.

Is the fact that first born (Oswald) had his mother's maiden name as a middle name relevant do you think?  Were they perhaps unmarried?
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 June 20 20:42 BST (UK) »
In the absence of any registration I don't think they married.  I was puzzled as to why her brother in law reported her death rather than her husband.  It doesn't show him as deceased.  The online tree  has a photo of her
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Re: Missing marriage.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 June 20 20:49 BST (UK) »
Hi

Could it be that Susan Gilbert married Mr Price then (after "mis-hap") married Charles Earp?

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 June 20 21:21 BST (UK) »
Who is Mr Price and after what "mishap"??   All 3 childrens births registered as Earp mmn Gilbert 1896-1902
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Re: Missing marriage.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 June 20 21:46 BST (UK) »
Think this is what is being looked at

Q1 1891

Birmingham  Vol 6d p157

Charles Earp  <<<
Kate Evelyn Hanson
Susan Price  <<<
David Venvil
David Veuvil

Only problem is this before the 1891 census, when Susan's still Gilbert. Also other records show this Charles married Kate Hanson, and has father's name George

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