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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 18 June 20 15:58 BST (UK) »
Night Trish, sleep well  ;D
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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 18 June 20 19:59 BST (UK) »
There is also a JOHN Poole Bapt 18 Feb 1798 Manchester, Father Samuel

1841 in Salford, Lancs
Samuel Poole   70 Calender Jouneyman
Mary Poole   70

1851 Samuel is born c 1769 Manchester. Same Occp/Pauper

I cant see any ref from Census to Somerset??

I didn't find that - but both Samuel and Mary have aged by 6 years or more (mine born 1777) and both were born in Somerset.
Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen

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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 18 June 20 20:07 BST (UK) »
Your post about the Poole family in Somerset
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=830489.

Yes, this is the conundrum: Mary Browning was the life partner of my 3xgreat grandfather but for some reason they never married. There is a very vague suggestion she had already married his brother but the only brother possible is Samuel (who as the 9th brother of a yeoman family went elsewhere to make a living?)
This couple in Manchester are the only correct named couple I've found - but I can't find their marriage.

I also tried to find Samuel on a census - and came up with the pauper. But if Mary had left him for his brother they wouldn't have been together in 1841, so not that couple. In fact, MY Mary died in 1836 in Somerset (I have it recorded by a son in a book I own plus the burial record).
Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen

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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 June 20 20:11 BST (UK) »
Mmm that plot thickens..
Even the Parents of Mary are wrong on the arrival record;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBYQ-P9G?cc=1542665

No, I think they are right as they are the parents of Thomas' wife, also Mary. She would have been Mary Clewes, mother Amelia née Alcock (not that I've found Thomas' marriage either!)
Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen


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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 18 June 20 20:20 BST (UK) »
This is doing my head in ::)

Ok love to know where those Bapts took place.


Sorry, which ones, trish? Doubtless the ones in my other thread - Durleigh, Somerset, where Mary Browning lived from at least the date of the first baptisms (1810), possibly earlier, till her death in 1836.
Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen

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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #14 on: Friday 19 June 20 11:09 BST (UK) »
The Marriage of Thomas Poole 1840 has his Father as Samuel with the correct occp.

But that Samuel says he is born c 1769 in Lancs on Census.

So I am totally confused :P
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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #15 on: Friday 19 June 20 11:49 BST (UK) »
Now I'm even more confused.

More Bapt Durleigh;
BROWNING, Mother Mary
MARY ANNE POOLE 24 Sep 1812   
SIMION POOLE 20 Mar 1815
CHARLES POOLE 08 Dec 1817

Charles marries 21 Jun 1853 Durleigh, Father SIMEON a Miller

1841 Census
George Poole   30 Miller
Simeon Poole   25 Farmer
Charles Poole   23

Previous Page;
SIMEON Poole 75 Miller
Robert Poole 30 Miller
Mary ANN Poole 30
+ 1 servant

Burials Durleigh;
SIMEON Poole 21 Jan 1848 age 83 (1765)
SIMEON Poole 17 Jan 1851 age 36

SIMEON Pool Bapt 28 Apr 1765 St Nicholas, Dinnington to THOS/HANNAH
Abode Sevington St Michael

All I have posted on FreeREG

Trish :)
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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #16 on: Friday 19 June 20 12:10 BST (UK) »
I wonder if that could be Honor/Honour not Hannah on that 1765 Bapt as there are Pool/es Bapt Seavington St Michael, Parents Thomas/Honour 1770-1781
Also surname derivatives same Parents Seavington St Mary 1756-1763

+ a Marriage for Thomas POOLE of Seavington St Mary at Kingstone 20 May 1755

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Re: Can't find marriage of Samuel Poole & Mary Browning
« Reply #17 on: Friday 19 June 20 17:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all your efforts trish1120 and rosie99.

Let me explain what I know for sure:
Thomas and Honour (Honor/Haner/Hannah - you have to imagine the scribe was hard of hearing and/or listening to the rural Somerset accent !), married 1755 in Kingstone, Somerset, settled in Seavington St Michael and baptised first 3 children in Seavington St Mary (1 mile away) 1756-1763, child n° 4 in Dinnington (a chapelry of Seavington at the time) 1765, and then 7 more in Seavington St Michael 1767-1781. My ggggrandfather is n° 4, and Samuel n° 10.
N° 4, Simeon, was a miller in Durleigh, Somerset (died 1848). He lived with Mary Browning (1776-1836). There were 6 children baptised in Durleigh, all given the name Poole, 3 altogether in 1810, then 1812, 1815 and 1817.

I'm looking for Samuel because of this vague possibility that Mary had married him, left him and therefore she and Simeon couldn't marry because it was not known if he was still alive. And I'm wondering in fact whether the 3 children baptised together (aged 7, 3 and 1) were in fact Samuel's??

However it seems clear that the only Samuel Poole and Mary Browning couple we can find (in Manchester, via the son Thomas' immigration record) and who had at least 2 sons (Samuel and Thomas) - can't be the Samuel and Mary I'm looking because of their birth dates (c. 1769), places of birth (Lancs), and their being together still in 1841.

The names seemed such a coincidence....

Another angle as to why Simeon and Mary didn't marry is of course that Simeon had married another girl somewhere (abroad perhaps?). In fact I know nothing for sure about his whereabouts between 1779 and the baptisms in 1810 (the family has always assumed that Simeon acknowledged all the children as his as they were given the name Poole - but then, I thought, that would work for being the brother's children too.)

 Oh well... don't think I'll ever solve this mystery.

Margaret

Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen