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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 26 June 20 20:28 BST (UK) »
Edna seems to be travelling with her mother Olive Bell Anderson on the Barory in 1947
New York Passenger and Crew Lists, 1909, 1925-1957
Index of Edna
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24P2-1T2

Two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94V-Y99Y-4?i=1008&cc=192388

Olive Bell Anderson, 49 yrs 10 mos, last permanent residence Porthdown, Ireland
Relative - Husband T G Anderson, 36 Queens Pde. Bangor
Going to daughter H Mc Queston in Montreal, Canada

Below her is Edna, 23, relative Father, (ditto) same address, going to Sister, (ditto) same address


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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 26 June 20 20:33 BST (UK) »
Is this the marriage of Edna's parents?
16 February 1917, Richhill, Armagh
Thomas George Anderson, 27, Provision Merchant
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Olive Hewitt, 20, Farmer's Daughter

Married in the Methodist Church
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09733/5531500.pdf

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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 26 June 20 20:40 BST (UK) »
Going to daughter H Mc Queston in Montreal, Canada

We need a daughter/sister H, older than Edna
A birth reg in Banbridge of a Hazel Doreen Anderson
Born 30 October 1918
Father Thomas George, a ? Merchant
Mother Olive, formerly Hewitt
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01266/1525256.pdf

The exact place could be Tandragee or something like that, similar to that given as Edna's place of birth on the 1947 manifest.


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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 26 June 20 20:48 BST (UK) »

Rosie, many thanks for the definitive clue that the 1939 N.I. Register has yet to be digitized.

Jon, Many thanks for all these many clues and pointers.  The Portadown wedding announcement started to get me on the right path for both MERRYWEATHER and ANDERSON families. Patrick seems to have been a mining engineer.

Thank you both!
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HENRY, Sligo
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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 26 June 20 21:00 BST (UK) »

See also https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/1939-national-register.html

Stan

Stan,
Many thanks for this useful article with the 2020 update below:
Important!

November 2018

Due to the ongoing political impasse in Northern Ireland, Freedom of Information requests are not being processed. In other words, FOI has been suspended.

January 2020

Stormont is getting its act together again (fingers crossed). FOI may follow.
 
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BENNETT,
BRETT, Sligo
CARNEGIE,
CROCKFORD Hampshire.
ELLIOT,
GAUNTLETT, Worldwide
HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY, Sligo
POPE, London docklands,
PRIDDY, Devon,
STANDERWICK, Somerset,
RIPPINGILLE
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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 27 June 20 09:33 BST (UK) »

PRONI is the place to go to for the 1939 General Register, taken on 29th September 1939. Unfortunately, due to COVID-19 they are closed and unable to receive requests by phone or e-mail.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni

Once open again, make a request via their on-line request form stating a freedom of information request. You must give an address (including number) or, in the country a townland name. They will respond with an e-mail attaching the relevant register entry, but redacted if any of the persons on it are under 100 years old. You can reply sending death certificates for the relevant persons so that a name can be un-redacted and a new register entry sent.

KG



Cuthbertson - Co Derry, Scotland & Australia
Hunter - Co Derry
Jackson - Co Derry, Scotland & Canada
Scott - Co Derry
Neilly - Co Antrim & USA
McCurdy - Co Antrim
Nixon - Co Cavan, Co Donegal, Canada & USA
Ryan & Noble - Co Sligo

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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 27 June 20 18:29 BST (UK) »
Two examples of the heading of the 1939 General register form:

1. 15 Hopefield Avenue, Portrush
2. Townland of Dunminning, Glarryford

KG

Cuthbertson - Co Derry, Scotland & Australia
Hunter - Co Derry
Jackson - Co Derry, Scotland & Canada
Scott - Co Derry
Neilly - Co Antrim & USA
McCurdy - Co Antrim
Nixon - Co Cavan, Co Donegal, Canada & USA
Ryan & Noble - Co Sligo

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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 27 June 20 20:16 BST (UK) »
Was there ever a 1939 Register for Northern Ireland? If not, why not?



There is a 1939 Register for Northern Ireland and as others have explained PRONI holds it. The records are not on-line. Part of the reason is the layout. The British version has personal records on one side and medical records on the other, making it easy to scan and to ignore the private medical records. The NI version has the information in vertical order with medical and personal information mixed up.  Scanning but excluding the medical information was just too difficult, and so it hasnít been possible to put the records on-line.  You have to contact PRONI to request a search under the FOI. (When they re-open). They redact the medical information (manually).

An additional problem is that you can only search by address/townland. So if you know where your ancestor lived you can ask for a search but if you are just searching for Joe Bloggs in Northern Ireland in 1939, without an address, they canít do that though it would be possible in the GB Register.
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Re: 1939 Register for Northern Ireland?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 27 June 20 21:56 BST (UK) »
Elwyn Soutter,
thank you for your clear, concise and understandable explanation!
There are so many wrinkles to learn about how our record were produced and why I stumble around scratching my bald head!
Mark

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BENNETT,
BRETT, Sligo
CARNEGIE,
CROCKFORD Hampshire.
ELLIOT,
GAUNTLETT, Worldwide
HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY, Sligo
POPE, London docklands,
PRIDDY, Devon,
STANDERWICK, Somerset,
RIPPINGILLE
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk