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Offline Gallicrow

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Re: Sister mix-up
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 02 July 20 13:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for your help everyone, I think it's making things a lot clearer.

I found a reference on ancestry (again just a preview as I don't subscribe) that suggested that Elsie Harding died ~2003.

There were also some interesting pictures on ancestry, including one from the wedding of Percival Coan and, presumably, Elsie Harding in 1924:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1093/?name=percival_Coan&count=50&name_x=s_1

There is a sneaky trick you can use to see the full size picture on ancestry - first right click it and choose "vue image" ("vue" is not spelt like that, but rootschat blanks out "vue image" if I spell it correctly!). This will show you something which looks like a thumbnail but is actually the full-sized image being displayed smaller. The name in the address bar will end in "&MaxSide=160". Simply delete the "&MaxSide=160" from the address and the picture will be displayed full-sized!

Anyway, the story here seems to be something like this:

1) 1898 Eva Maud Harding is born.
2) 1902 Elsie Emily Harding is born.
3) 1920 Eva marries Frank Goward.
4) 1924 Elsie marries Percival Coan.
5) 1935/36 Frank Goward dies, Eva moves back to Weymouth.
6) 1935-1939 Elsie dies or separates from Percival.
7) 1935-1939 Eva marries or moves in with Percival Coan and takes his surname.

There are still a few complications involving the various children (e.g. why is the son of Frank Goward and Eva Harding, born in 1925, called William Henry Ellis?).

My connection to this family is also a bit complicated. It involves the possible older brother of Eva and Elsie, born in Weymouth in 1889 and called Harry Charles Harding. He seems to have been adopted by my g.g.grandmother soon after birth and appears in the 1891 and 1901 census as her adopted son. However there is nothing in the family records about him (he would have been my grandfather's uncle) and I wondered whether it was some sort of fostering arrangement rather than a proper adoption which would explain why he kept the surname Harding rather than taking his adopted family's name of Bowdidge. Here is his entry on Family Search (most records attached by me):
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G3VC-2X8
Eva family in Devon and Cornwall.
Bowdidge family in Devon and Dorset.

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Re: Sister mix-up
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 02 July 20 13:38 BST (UK) »
Frank Goward died at The Mayday Hospital 13 January 1935 - probate to Bertie A J Goward.
Patricia was born early Oct 1935  ::)
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Re: Sister mix-up
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 02 July 20 13:40 BST (UK) »
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Frank Goward died at The Mayday Hospital 13 January 1935 - probate to Bertie A J Goward.
Patricia was born early Oct 1935.
Well, let's just assume that Frank died with a smile on his face.
Eva family in Devon and Cornwall.
Bowdidge family in Devon and Dorset.

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 02 July 20 13:49 BST (UK) »
I think the person who has the Eva tree on Canada Ancestry forgot to add the surname for William

Births Dec 1925   
Goward    William H E    Harding    Croydon    2a   430
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire


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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 02 July 20 14:16 BST (UK) »
I came across the below on Geni, what are we supposed to make of that?


William Henry Ellis (Goward)
Also Known As:   "Bill"
Birthdate:   1925
Death:   2000 (74-75)
Wallington, Greater London, England, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:   
Son of ? Ellis
Husband of Eileen May Ellis
Father of Private; Private and Private

There is a marriage that looks to be his in 1943. 
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Sister mix-up
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 02 July 20 15:11 BST (UK) »
If this is the death they are referring to
William Henry Ellis
Birth   28/08/1925
Death 02/2000 Sutton reg district (Sutton RD covers Wallington)

Going by that birthdate there is a William Ellis in Croydon in 1939 which would fit with this couple
Marriage Sep qtr 1939 
Ellis    Emily   
New    Edward J   
Croydon    2a   3079   
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« Reply #24 on: Thursday 02 July 20 16:19 BST (UK) »
I found a reference on ancestry (again just a preview as I don't subscribe) that suggested that Elsie Harding died ~2003.

Are you in Oxford and a library card holder? Need to sign in to your library account.
"Access to Ancestry from home by Oxfordshire Libraries members has been temporarily extended courtesy of Proquest and its partner Ancestry."
https://libcat.oxfordshire.gov.uk/web/arena/my-account

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 02 July 20 16:30 BST (UK) »
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Are you in Oxford and a library card holder? Need to sign in to your library account.
"Access to Ancestry from home by Oxfordshire Libraries members has been temporarily extended courtesy of Proquest and its partner Ancestry."
https://libcat.oxfordshire.gov.uk/web/arena/my-account

Wow, that's fantastic! Thanks very much for that. My library card expired years ago but my daughter's one worked fine.
Eva family in Devon and Cornwall.
Bowdidge family in Devon and Dorset.

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Re: Sister mix-up
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 02 July 20 17:45 BST (UK) »
As online trees say she died in 1993 - Clutching at straws ....

Elsie Emily Gemmell
Death Age: 90
Birth Date: 14 April 1902
Death Registration Date March 1993
Weymouth, Dorset
A3D / 4331A / 68
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