Beatrice Lilian Turner

[johnP-bedford]

1881 census Gillespie Road, Highbury,  Kezia Hardy age 48 widow & daughters Jane 24 & Hannah 20
Who is Kezia Hardy?
Dec 1884 Ernest Charles Hardy born Islington, son of Hannah Hardy
Who is this?
15 Apr 1887 Violet Hetty Hardy born Gillespie Road, Highbury, Islington, daughter of Hannah Hardy born, illegitimate
– could GHT be the father ?
Who is this? Why the suspicions 'could G.H.T. be the father'?
1890 GHT married Jane Hardy ??
Who is this? Why the query 'married Jane Hardy'?
1891 census 16 Myrtle Road, Highbury, Kezia Hardy 58 widow, daughter Hannah age 30 & grand children Ernest age 6 & age Violet 3 both born Islington   
Who are these people?

Keziah Hardy is the widowed mother of Jane Hardy 1856 & Hannah Hardy 1860. Jane we assume was the wife of GHT as per the 1891 & 1901 census in Little Titchfield Street, although we've not found a marriage entry for them. Jane Turner died June 1908 aged 51. On 1911 census GHT is a widower but states he was married 21 years (so around 1890) with 1 child Hetty Sarah Hare born 1896. Here he is with Hannah Hardy as his housekeeper, she is his sister in law, so sister of his late wife Jane, & continues to live with him at the same address (although not sure if it was as 'man & wife') until they both die in 1936.   

Note Thomas Hardy married Keziah Clarke in Bury St.Edmunds in March 1857. Their daughter Jane was born prior to that in Dec 1856. There are 3 baptisms in Bury St Edmunds on 7 Aug 1860 of daughters of Thomas & Keziah Hardy specifying each of their birth dates. These are Jane, Hannah & Eliza. I cannot find a relevant birth index for Jane Hardy but there is one for Jane Clarke in Dec 1856 in Bury St.Edmunds where mother's maiden name is Pearce. This, I believe, is surname of Keziah's mother Maria, before she married Joseph Clarke.     

Ernest Charles Hardy born Dec 1884 and Violet Hetty Hardy born Apr 1887 are the illegitimate children of Hannah Hardy, both are with her & her mother Keziah on 1891 & 1901 censuses. There will be no father's name on the birth certificate but it is possible that GHT was the father - but we might never know. Only that Hannah's child's name has Hetty & GHT with wife Jane had a child named Hetty, just a hunch.

Enough for now.   

[johnP-bedford]

Apr 1882 Elizabeth Pope born 42 Foley Street
This a Census Return date? Elizabeth Pope would be who?
Sept 1884 Georgina Pope born 42 Foley Street
This is the Bed Archive entry date not her birth date?
Georgina's parents would be?

So what happened to Jane Pope and their child Georgina Pope?

Had an affair with a Jane Pope, but never married (her) ?

The Beds Archives entry was dated Oct 1883 where Jane Pope of Holme, Biggleswade, had a child born 5 Apr 1882 & said that GHT of 42 Foley Street, Portland Place was the putative father, and he was charged to pay 5 shillings a week until age 14.

She was in fact Elizabeth Jane Pope born 1862 and this child was Elizabeth Pope, birth index June 1882 Marylebone. Her second child was Georgina Pope birth index Sep 1884 Marylebone (I am assuming that GHT is her father also). Both birth indexes have blank mothers maiden name thus they are illegitimate. The two girls were baptised at Biggleswade on 20 Dec 1888, one as Elizabeth Jane Turner Pope and the other as Georgina Turner Pope, they also had Turner in their names when they married. 

Elizabeth Jane Pope age 27 married Thomas Dennis/Dennes at Biggleswade on 16 Dec 1889. On 1891 census they are in Biggleswade, within the family are Elizabeth Pope age 9 & Georgina Pope age 7, both step-daughters (of Thomas) and both born Foley Street, London. In later censuses they say they were born Battersea London.

So this Jane Pope isn't the Jane, wife of GHT - she was Jane Hardy
     

[Richmond Parka]

I have Emma Ellen Reeds Birth Cert, born 28/12/1852  registered 19/01/1853. Predictably no surprises.
Emma Reed's was registered unnamed, as were the three other youngest Samuel Reed  -  Edith  nee Taylor children.
 All born Biggleswade their  GRO index corresponded closely  Johns Bedford's established findings, with a little trawling turned up, thanks.
No specific residence  given,  just Biggleswade as registry district.

 Discredits two unimportant details on her wedding cert, in reality deceased father  was a farrier not the Veterinary Surgeon. I think this is accepted antway.  She was in fact 16 not 17 Sept. 1869  on Wedding day.

Births reg in Reed name alone.
Caroline 1845 S  Biggleswade Vol 06   Pg57 (died 1845 named)
Elizabeth 1847 M    ‘’            ‘’      ‘’’   ‘’         Pg 68
Edith        1850 D    ‘’            ‘’       ‘’ ‘’          Pg 51
Emma      1853 M  ‘’             ‘’        Vol  03B Pg 338

Earlier birth's found . Ann 1837,  Samuel 1841  ,Thomas 1843.
All reg with Taylor middle name. again all Biggleswade.
Mary 1832 & Sarah 1834 N/A @ GRO.
Probably missed someone.
Cheers
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[Calpe 1704]

Just a brief mention that all the information that has been placed on this thread is greatly appreciated, sadly, other commitments have cropped up, but i'll be back, thank you kindly.