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Name and age?
« on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:33 BST (UK) »
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Need your beady eyes on this one!  If the surname for James is McCarthy, why is his name listed and not just "ditto'ed" like the rest of the children? Perhaps it's not McCarthy/McCarty?  Also can you make out the age?

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Re: Name and age?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:37 BST (UK) »
James Wearthy do? Perhaps aged 4.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Name and age?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:39 BST (UK) »
I see that Ancestry thinks he is 8.

The census is 1851 - in Oriel St, Liverpool, for those looking.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Name and age?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:40 BST (UK) »
Think it's a double forename, there is a 'do' at the end but I don't fancy trying to guess what it is.

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Re: Name and age?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:46 BST (UK) »
John (2 in that 1851 census) seems to have been born 4 Jan 1849 and baptised 14 Jan 1859 as John Carty.

Parents: Patrick & Mary, of Oriel St (same address as in 1851).

Possible birth reg as John Carty mmn Kenny, Mar qtr 1849 Liverpool.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Name and age?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:49 BST (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Wednesday 15 July 20 14:37 BST (UK)
James Wearthy do? Perhaps aged 4.

Yes, that's how it's transcribed but it just doesn't fit?
 

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Re: Name and age?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:50 BST (UK) »
Why do you say it doesn’t fit? I read it independently and only found the Ancestry transcription later, which agreed with my reading other than the age.

Findmypast also agrees.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Name and age?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 14:59 BST (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Wednesday 15 July 20 14:46 BST (UK)
John (2 in that 1851 census) seems to have been born 4 Jan 1849 and baptised 14 Jan 1859 as John Carty.

Parents: Patrick & Mary, of Oriel St (same address as in 1851).

Possible birth reg as John Carty mmn Kenny, Mar qtr 1849 Liverpool.

If this is the right one then John may already have been on the way when Patrick and Mary married.

St Anthony’s, Liverpool

Married 26 September 1848

Patrick McCarthy son of Mathew & Ann McCarthy
Mary Kenny daur of Patrick & Sarah Kenny
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Name and age?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 July 20 15:05 BST (UK) »
Sorry AVM - you beat me to it but I'm posting this anyway as we sort of agree!

I agree with Sinann that it is a middle name -- but does anyone else think the age of Patrick looks like 50 or 60 - whilst Mary his wife is only 30?

It may be a second marriage for Patrick and there is a marriage of a Patrick McCarthy to a Mary Kenny at St Anthony's RC church, Liverpool in 1848. Hence MAYBE (but only maybe) - the son James may have been given the first wife's maiden name. Possibly she died in childbirth (This is pure supposition of course - but if James IS 8 there is a big gap between him and the youngest child John).

I have no idea what that middle name is!! There was a James Thomas McCarthy baptised in 1843 with father Patrick and mother Mary, but that name is certainly not Thomas.
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