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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 19 July 20 17:33 BST (UK) »
First marriage
   
Billings, Martha Ellen
b.
Jun 1860
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
d.
Jun 1880
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
m.
Davies, Alfred
Dec 1879
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Davies, Sarah
b.
Mar 1880
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
d.
Jan 1883
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Noah Davis Pain b 1813 m Eliza Woodall, 1835 Tipton
Brother Thomas Pain Davis b1814 m Sarah Kesterton
Father William, Mother Mary, Rowley Reg
James b 1833 m Frances Barlow
Thomas b 1835 m Esther Burchel
Jane b 1837 m William Evans Dec 1857
Maria b 1839 m Richard Attwell 1863 Pensylvania
Joseph b 1845 M Mary Hinton
Sylvia b 1848 m Isaiah Skidmore 1865
Caroline 1848 SEEKING
Charlotte b 1850. SEEKING
Noah Davis 1851 m Annie Dickins 1878
Rosehanna b 1854 M James Thornton, 1875
Mary Ann 1860 SEEKING

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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 19 July 20 17:45 BST (UK) »
So 1881 - Alfred is living with his parents as a widower - RG11/2804 folio 23 page 39 plus Sarah aged 12 months.

Added:

And Sarah Jane Davies, mmn = Billings - registered 1880 in Wolverhampton.

Plus:  I'm now totally cunfused, if we are trying to find Anne/Annie Davies  :-\ :-\



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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 19 July 20 18:13 BST (UK) »
1871 living at
Staffs Woverhampton, 74 Moore Street
Joseph Billings hd mar 39 Pudler bn Lancaster Duckenfield
Sarah Ann wf 38 " Staffs. Stone

Annie may not be Davies or Davis, may be related to wiittal or Billings note Marriage and death of martha 1879/1880

She was on the census but not elsewhere
Thanks Geoff
Noah Davis Pain b 1813 m Eliza Woodall, 1835 Tipton
Brother Thomas Pain Davis b1814 m Sarah Kesterton
Father William, Mother Mary, Rowley Reg
James b 1833 m Frances Barlow
Thomas b 1835 m Esther Burchel
Jane b 1837 m William Evans Dec 1857
Maria b 1839 m Richard Attwell 1863 Pensylvania
Joseph b 1845 M Mary Hinton
Sylvia b 1848 m Isaiah Skidmore 1865
Caroline 1848 SEEKING
Charlotte b 1850. SEEKING
Noah Davis 1851 m Annie Dickins 1878
Rosehanna b 1854 M James Thornton, 1875
Mary Ann 1860 SEEKING

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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 19 July 20 20:08 BST (UK) »
My apologies, Geoff, but I am totally, and utterly, confused.  I DO NO understand what you are saying.

Shorthand just doesn't help - "Annie may not be Davies or Davis, may be related to wittal or Billings note Marriage and death of martha 1879/1880" - please give us a more detailed explanation - if you want more help  :-X  Unfortunately we are NOT mind-readers   ;)
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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 19 July 20 20:21 BST (UK) »
As you said she may be adopted, or she may be other Grandaughter of Willets or Billings
1891
23 St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies, Head, Mar, 35 Puddler, Wolverhampton
Harriett, Wife, Mar, 31, Willenhall
On the same page:
Court 6, St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Joseph Willetts, Head, Mar, 63, Coal Dealer, Old Hill Worcestershire
Phoebe, Wife, Mar, 61, Bilston Staffs.
Anne Davies, Grandaur, 2, Wolverhampton

1901 at 13 Court, Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies 45 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Iron Puddler
Harriet Davies wife 41 b. Mildenhall, Staffordshire
Anne Davies dau 12 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

1911 –
Alfred Davies 55 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Under Hand Puddler Harriet Davies 51 b. Willenhall, Staffordshire
1 Court, 13 Bilston Rd, Wolverhampton
Married for 28 years. Now this is puzzling ? they state that no children were born to their marriage. Therefore who is Annie?
Noah Davis Pain b 1813 m Eliza Woodall, 1835 Tipton
Brother Thomas Pain Davis b1814 m Sarah Kesterton
Father William, Mother Mary, Rowley Reg
James b 1833 m Frances Barlow
Thomas b 1835 m Esther Burchel
Jane b 1837 m William Evans Dec 1857
Maria b 1839 m Richard Attwell 1863 Pensylvania
Joseph b 1845 M Mary Hinton
Sylvia b 1848 m Isaiah Skidmore 1865
Caroline 1848 SEEKING
Charlotte b 1850. SEEKING
Noah Davis 1851 m Annie Dickins 1878
Rosehanna b 1854 M James Thornton, 1875
Mary Ann 1860 SEEKING

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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 19 July 20 22:34 BST (UK) »
As I said in #8 - there is no birth registration for "female" Davies in 1889 +/- 2 years with mmn = Willetts.  Therefore could she be an adopted "daughter" - not even blood-related?

Yes, I have seen the relevant census entries. 
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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 19 July 20 22:45 BST (UK) »
My understanding is that the 1911 number of children refers to the wife so could
Ann be a daughter of a first wife or girlfriend who died in childbirth .
That would make her the Willets step grandchild
She could still be Alfred's daughter in 1901
Harriet and he had had no children together
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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #16 on: Monday 20 July 20 10:05 BST (UK) »
Sorry, done it again using 1879 instead of 1889

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3 Births so far  circa  1889
Annie Rushton ( on free bmd's as Anne) S qtr 1888 mmn Peters
Anne Margaret J 1888 mmn Rhodes
Anne May Butler D 1887 mmn Dunn

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Re: Annie ??
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 July 20 10:28 BST (UK) »
Possible Conclusion
 Alfred Davies was born 26 Feb 1856 in Wolverhampton and died 1916 He married Martha Ellen Billings Dec 1879 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England. She was born Jun 1860 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England and died Jun 1880 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, daughter of Joseph Billings and Sarah B.
He married Harriet Willetts 25 Jun 1882. She was born Jan 1860 in Willenhall, Staffordshire, England, daughter of Joseph Willets and Phoebe France.
Children of Alfred Davies and Harriet Willetts:
Census shows Annie vies was born 1889???
 
Children of Alfred Davies and Martha Ellen Billings:
Sarah Davies was born Mar 1880 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England and died Jan 1883 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

1901 at 13 Court, Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies 45 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Iron Puddler
Harriet Davies wife 41 b. Mildenhall, Staffordshire
Anne Davies dau 12 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

 Could Sarah be Annie to avoid confusion with other Sarahs in family by Grandparents Billings and Willets both families living close during births and deaths

1891
23 St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies, Head, Mar, 35 Puddler, Wolverhampton
Harriett, Wife, Mar, 31, Willenhall
On the same page:
Court 6, St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Joseph Willetts, Head, Mar, 63, Coal Dealer, Old Hill Worcestershire
Phoebe, Wife, Mar, 61, Bilston Staffs.
Anne Davies, Grandaur, 2, Wolverhampton

1901 at 13 Court, Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies 45 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Iron Puddler
Harriet Davies wife 41 b. Mildenhall, Staffordshire
Anne Davies dau 12 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

1881
Lower Horseley Fields Wolverhampton.
Joseph Billings 52 Forge labourer.
Sarah Ann Billings 49
William Billings 18 Hoop Mill Man
Sarah Ann Billings 9
Noah Davis Pain b 1813 m Eliza Woodall, 1835 Tipton
Brother Thomas Pain Davis b1814 m Sarah Kesterton
Father William, Mother Mary, Rowley Reg
James b 1833 m Frances Barlow
Thomas b 1835 m Esther Burchel
Jane b 1837 m William Evans Dec 1857
Maria b 1839 m Richard Attwell 1863 Pensylvania
Joseph b 1845 M Mary Hinton
Sylvia b 1848 m Isaiah Skidmore 1865
Caroline 1848 SEEKING
Charlotte b 1850. SEEKING
Noah Davis 1851 m Annie Dickins 1878
Rosehanna b 1854 M James Thornton, 1875
Mary Ann 1860 SEEKING