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Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« on: Sunday 02 August 20 14:48 BST (UK) »
For about 20 years I have been trying to find out what happened to my granddad's aunt. She disappears from the records in 1901 and I am wondering if a new pair eyes might please help me crack it.

Emma Eliza Colman was born in Clapham, Surrey, in 1879.

Her parents were Alexander Colman and Jane Sarah Smith who married in 1878 and separated in 1886.

In the 1881 census she is with her family at The Bull's Head pub, 39 Rectory Grove, Clapham.

In the 1891 census she is with her family at 45 Belvoir Road, Dulwich, Camberwell, London.

In the 1901 census she is at 10 Ethelbert Terrace, Margate, Kent. She is with her mother and two boarders (her aunt by marriage Lilian Colman & Frances M. Graffon).

After this I have never found any trace of her.

Her mother Jane Sarah Smith|Colman died in 1910 and her death certificate show she was living with her son and died at The Albion pub, 155 Commercial Road, Peckham.

The Colman and Smith families had various burial plots at West Norwood Cemetery which they first used in the 1860s and family members including Emma's mother were buried there. If Emma had predeceased her mother between 1901 and 1910 I would have thought she would have been buried there too. She however is not there.

There is a 1915 marriage in Hampstead of an Emma Elizabeth Colman who was married to Richard James Adams, but this is not her as this Emma is younger and her father was Henry Colman.

If anyone is please able to help crack this mystery and find out what happened to her, I would be most grateful.

With thanks and best wishes,
Jon

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Re: Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 August 20 15:18 BST (UK) »
I think you have probably done this, but have you checked all the Emma Elizabeth Coleman (with an “e”) marriages after 1901?

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Re: Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 August 20 15:32 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage in 1928 to a Charles E Simmons in Milton, Kent

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZ1-QZCH

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Re: Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 02 August 20 15:43 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage in 1928 to a Charles E Simmons in Milton, Kent

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZ1-QZCH

I believe she was born c1898, possibly in Sittingbourne pre WW2
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Re: Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 02 August 20 15:54 BST (UK) »
Unable to find her mother, Jane S Colman, on 1911 census either.

Sorry. Had not read it fully. She died 1910. Senior moment!!!!

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Re: Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 August 20 18:36 BST (UK) »
I think you have probably done this, but have you checked all the Emma Elizabeth Coleman (with an “e”) marriages after 1901?

Thanks yes I have but just did it again to be certain! Still nothing comes up there! The name is certainly sometimes incorrectly spelt but this did not bring her up, sadly.

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Re: Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 August 20 18:36 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage in 1928 to a Charles E Simmons in Milton, Kent

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZ1-QZCH

I believe she was born c1898, possibly in Sittingbourne pre WW2

Thanks both for this and for looking.

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Re: Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 August 20 18:48 BST (UK) »
Could this be Emma?

Deaths Jun 1961 
COLMAN    Emma E    83    Colchester    4a   576

Can't check the full name as GRO deaths stop at 1957.
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Re: Ancestral Aunt Brick Wall - Emma Eliza Colman born 1879
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 02 August 20 20:42 BST (UK) »
A marriage in Natal, South Africa, 15 Sep 1904
Conrad Burford Dewsbuy
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Emma Eliza Colman

Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-66TW-SXG?i=1892&cc=2063749

Free index to 1911 census has Emma Eliza Dewsbury, 31, born London Clapham, living in Wandsworth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW5K-FT8

Two children there
DEWSBURY, JOYCE       
Mother's Maiden Surname: COLMAN 
GRO Reference: 1908  M Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 673

DEWSBURY, MARJORIE       
Mother's Maiden Surname: COLMAN 
GRO Reference: 1909  M Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 658