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Re: Ladies name deciphered please
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 11:50 BST (UK) »
I think it must be Clewley really-  maybe an error on the Bond.

In the  1841 Census they are in Stafford. With them are two Clewley chldren
Mathilda, aged 12 and George aged 9

Mathilda Clewley, daughter of Joseph and Sarah was baptised in Cannotck on 17 May 1829
 
George Joseph Clewley, parents Joseph and Sarah, was bapt 14 Sept 1831 in Cannock

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Re: Ladies name deciphered please
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 12:13 BST (UK) »
I'm a bit confused. (Easily done...  ;D)

That would mean - assuming it is the same Joseph (Bogden?) - that Sarah had 2 illegitimate kiddies with him and then later married him. Would that not have been unusual back then?

Or did she marry twice, both times to a Joseph? 
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Re: Ladies name deciphered please
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 12:50 BST (UK) »
I think it must be Clewley really-  maybe an error on the Bond.

In the 1841 Census they are in Stafford.

With them are two Clewley chldren Mathilda, aged 12 and George aged 9

Mathilda Clewley, daughter of Joseph and Sarah was baptised in Cannotck on 17 May 1829
 
George Joseph Clewley, parents Joseph and Sarah, was bapt 14 Sept 1831 in Cannock


Cherry Street, St Mary, Stafford, Staffordshire
Joseph Boyden b in county (Staffordshire) occ Baker J.
Sarah   Boyden b in county Staffordshire
John   Boyden b in countyStaffordshire
Emily   Boyden b in county Staffordshire
Sarah Boyden   b in county Staffordshire
Matilda Clewley   b in county Staffordshire
George Clewley b in county Staffordshire
1841 census HO107 Piece number   1010 Folio 12 Page 17

Is this daughter Sarah's birth entry?

Sarah Ann BOYDEN mmn TOWNSHEND
1840  J Quarter in STAFFORD UNION  Volume 17  Page 132

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Sarah Ann Boydon
Baptism 24 Apr 1840 Stafford, St Mary
Father   Joseph occ Baker Mother   Sarah

Her first marriage perhaps?

Joseph Clewley
16 May 1816 Cannock, Staffordshire
Spouse Sarah Townsend
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV2L-XXM
Edit to add
Marriage St Luke Cannock
in presence of G? Townsend & Sarah Goodall

I'm a bit confused. (Easily done...  ;D)

That would mean - assuming it is the same Joseph (Bogden?) - that Sarah had 2 illegitimate kiddies with him and then later married him. Would that not have been unusual back then?

Or did she marry twice, both times to a Joseph? 

I think it says on the marriage allegation Sarah is a widow

Edit to add - perhaps first husband's death

Joseph Clewley Age 38
Burial 16 Jun 1832
Church   St Luke
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Cannock Staffordshire
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Re: Ladies name deciphered please
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 04 August 20 13:28 BST (UK) »
I think we've cracked it LH  :D
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Re: Ladies name deciphered please
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 05 August 20 00:15 BST (UK) »
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Re: Ladies name deciphered please
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 05 August 20 09:52 BST (UK) »
I think it says on the marriage allegation Sarah is a widow

That is one reason I wondered whether she perhaps married 2 men named Joseph.

From what you and Gadget have unearthed, it certainly looks that way.
I suppose it could make life easier. ;-)

Sorry - couldn't help but think of the song 'Enery the 8th I am, I am...  ;D

P.S. Joseph II was only 21 when they married. Quite an age gap...
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Re: Ladies name deciphered please
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 05 August 20 10:09 BST (UK) »
Karen

Sarah married Joseph Clewley in 1816.
They had a number of children, including Mathilda (circa 1829) and George (circa 1831)
Joseph Clewley died in 1832
Sarah married Joseph Boyden in 1833 (only bond found not ceremony)
Insert - they had a John circa 1834-5 and others
From her age on census etc. she was born 1801-1806.

I'm not sure why you're thinking that the Clewley children were illegitimate.


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Re: Ladies name deciphered please
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 05 August 20 12:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Gadget,

I'm not thinking that they were illegitimate.  :)

I wondered that yesterday, before it was determined that she had (possibly) married 2 men who were both named Joseph.

My comment today was simply that she had married 2 men named Joseph. And that Joseph II was, some might say, a toyboy.  ;) Nothing about kiddies born out of wedlock.  :)
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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 05 August 20 13:07 BST (UK) »
I was reading this one, Karen, and you were still doubtful in your later post, but I'm glad you've worked it out  :)


I'm a bit confused. (Easily done...  ;D)

That would mean - assuming it is the same Joseph (Bogden?) - that Sarah had 2 illegitimate kiddies with him and then later married him. Would that not have been unusual back then?

Or did she marry twice, both times to a Joseph?
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