Author Topic: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?  (Read 310 times)

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Gibraltar BMD dates will be of great help to me.
Thank you.

Gibraltar, Select Marriages, DATE ??? Before 1884
Name   Obdulia Alvarez   Same
Spouse   John Hall Haynes
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John Hall Haynes Engineer BIRTH AND DEATH ???
Obdulia Alvarez  BIRTH ???
BIRTH Unknown
DEATH 18 NOV 1932 52 Prince Edward Road, Gibraltar
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Obdulia DOLLY Haynes
BIRTH ABT. 1921 Gibraltar
DEATH ABT. 1990 SEVILLE ???

ANSTRUTHER,Worldwide
BENNETT,
BRETT, Sligo
CARNEGIE,
CROCKFORD Hampshire.
ELLIOT,
GAUNTLETT, Worldwide
HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY, Sligo
POPE, London docklands,
PRIDDY, Devon,
STANDERWICK, Somerset,
RIPPINGILLE
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Re: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 August 20 17:04 BST (UK) »
John Hall Haynes Engineer BIRTH AND DEATH ???

John Hall Haynes died 19 March 1911
age 61
Death cert says born in Cadiz of British parentage. Resident in Gibraltar about 43 years.
Informant is son John of Prince Edward Road

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNS-T9TG-F?cat=440722

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Re: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 August 20 17:15 BST (UK) »
Birth of a Obdulia Lucilla Haynes, 23 January 1921
Parents John Joseph + Antonia Clemencia (nee Quero)
Index card
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNS-1Q31-V?i=5969&cat=440722

Parents married 3 October 1914.


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Re: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 August 20 17:35 BST (UK) »
From the 1868 register of inhabitants:

At Number 1, North Front, Gibraltar

James Haynes 25 Head, Wesleyan, born England
James Haynes 4 months Wesleyan born Gibraltar
Mary Ann Haynes 24 Wife Wesleyan born England

Thomas Haynes 30 Head, Protestant born Spain
John Hall Haynes 19 brother Protestant born Spain


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Re: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 August 20 17:40 BST (UK) »
1891 Register of Inhabitants:

17 Church Lane, Gibraltar

HAYNES John M   Head 41 born Cadiz, Spain B.S.   
HAYNES Obdulia   F Wife  27   born Badajos, Spain   17   CHURCH LANE   Married   Wife
HAYNES Thomas I M   7 son born Gibraltar
HAYNES Obdulia E F   6 daughter born Gibraltar
HAYNES John I M 3 son born Gibraltar
HAYNES Joseph   M 1   son born Gibraltar

https://www.nationalarchives.gi/Surname_1891.aspx
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Re: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 August 20 19:02 BST (UK) »
From the 1868 register of inhabitants:

At Number 1, North Front, Gibraltar

James Haynes 25 Head, Wesleyan, born England
James Haynes 4 months Wesleyan born Gibraltar
Mary Ann Haynes 24 Wife Wesleyan born England

Thomas Haynes 30 Head, Protestant born Spain
John Hall Haynes 19 brother Protestant born Spain


Shawn and Jon, many, many thanks.

a little more of your experience please!
Above, both JAMES 25 and THOMAS 30 are tagged HEAD, so which one would be brother to JOHN HALL?  Are there some cousins here?  I guess the top 3 people are one family with a possible marriage in England?

I have just explored the narrowest lanes of Gibraltar with Google Streetview.  So narrow that the streetcar could not proceed because of a couple of parked motorbikes!
ANSTRUTHER,Worldwide
BENNETT,
BRETT, Sligo
CARNEGIE,
CROCKFORD Hampshire.
ELLIOT,
GAUNTLETT, Worldwide
HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY, Sligo
POPE, London docklands,
PRIDDY, Devon,
STANDERWICK, Somerset,
RIPPINGILLE
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Re: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 August 20 21:25 BST (UK) »
Thomas is the brother. I think this is probably him: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Thomas_John_Haynes

There is more to be found in the Gibraltar archives. I'll delve some more over the weekend,
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Re: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 August 20 02:18 BST (UK) »
Thomas is the brother. I think this is probably him: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Thomas_John_Haynes

There is more to be found in the Gibraltar archives. I'll delve some more over the weekend,

Shaun,
Excellent and useful obit. Thank you.  This extra info has led me to a larger HAYNES family and these brothers. I may yet find their English roots!
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THOMAS JOHN HAYNES SHIP BUILDER
BIRTH 1837 CADIZ, SPAIN
DEATH 11 JAN 1897 British Subject, Gibraltar
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Benjamin George Haynes
BIRTH 18 OCT 1841 Segunda Aquada, Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain
DEATH 5 FEB 1898 Puntales, Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain
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James John Haynes
BIRTH1839
DEATH1857 
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Joseph William Hall Haynes Merchant
BIRTH 30 MAR 1843 Puntales, Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain
DEATH 8 JAN 1891 Puntales, Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain
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Cresswell Dodds Haynes
BIRTH 1845 Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain
DEATH 15 APR 1916 The Grand Pump Room Hotel, BATH, England
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John Hall Haynes Engineer Merchant
BIRTH ABT. 1849 Cadiz, Spain B.S.
DEATH 19 MAR 1911 GIBRALTAR
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PARENTS:
Thomas HAYNES
BIRTH 4 JUN 1804 Norton, Northamptonshire, England
DEATH 7 JUL 1882 Puntales, Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain
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Ann Jenkinson
BIRTH 4 APR 1811 Derby, Derbyshire, England
DEATH 10 MAR 1877 Puntales, Cadiz, Andalucia, Spain
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I am still unsure how to incorporate these 3 people:
From the 1868 register of inhabitants:
At Number 1, North Front, Gibraltar

James Haynes 25 Head, Wesleyan, born England
James Haynes 4 months Wesleyan born Gibraltar
Mary Ann Haynes 24 Wife Wesleyan born England
ANSTRUTHER,Worldwide
BENNETT,
BRETT, Sligo
CARNEGIE,
CROCKFORD Hampshire.
ELLIOT,
GAUNTLETT, Worldwide
HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY, Sligo
POPE, London docklands,
PRIDDY, Devon,
STANDERWICK, Somerset,
RIPPINGILLE
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Gibraltar, Select Marriages before 1884 HAYNES and ALVAREZ. 1940 WWII Evacuees?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 08 August 20 20:21 BST (UK) »
I've been looking at the 1871 Gibraltar census. The transcriptions have these two or possibly three households:

North Front:

22496   HAYNES   J. H. age 21 1/2   Born SPAIN Engineer   Protestant   son
22502   HAYNES   Ann age 59 born England   No data   Protestant   wife?

(It looks like Ann is JH's mother. The ID numbers are 6 apart so there are 6 others in the North Front Haynes household(s) that I've not found yet)   

And at Roger's Ramp:
HAYNES Thomas John   40 England Engineer   Protestant   Roger's Ramp Head
HAYNES   Amalia   33   Spain Wife

I have downloaded all of the image PDFs of the 1868 and 1871 censuses but haven't found the original images of these entries as yet.
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