Llandwrog, Bryntrallwyn, Jones

[Gadget]

OK - found them in 1871 so will work from there:

RG10/5670/75/4  (for others who are looking)

[brigidmac]

Im in the process of identify  descendants of my Denbighshire jones from 1840
And linking to dna matches my head is also swimming with Jones Davies Roberts Hughes & Williams
( I have Parry too)

Such a help if they have middle names or marry a more unusual surname.

I have benefit of having dna pfior ofthe research of my aunt and mother and oral history .they went to record offices and graveyards
& so far ive only come across ,one census where they had the wrong miss JONES.

Maybe we are all related from a few generations further back.!

I helped an american find his welsh Jones family couldnt connect to my Jones names until we realisrd his ancestor had married another jones ggfathers sister !

Any tips Gadget ...how many years

[wallbanger]

Hi, gadget, and thank you 

1871 census they are in the Llanfair Talhaiarn census, but you might see it as Llanfair Cornwall. They are schedule no. 18 at Bevergro. This property is also known as Beaver Grove elsewhere. It is the only census where Jane has got Ruthin as her birthplace, and yes, I have checked out Ruthin contenders years ago and ruled it out. Their daughter, Jane, was baptised at Pen
Llether in 1866 which is also Llanfair Talhaiarn, not far away, and not Llangernyw as listed on the census.

I noticed the same thing about the witnesses’ too.

Incidentally, this is my partner’s family, and John and Jane were his great grandparents.

Many thanks for taking the time to look at this. I’ve been going round in circles for years with these two. 

[wallbanger]

Sorry, gadget. Best I can do with what’s to hand:

1881 RG11/5537/86 P. 7 Sch. 35 Nant Heilyn, Pentrefoelas
1891 RG12/4630 Llansannan P 13 Sch. 75
1901 RG13/5240 p12 Llansannan, Pen Aled Scb. 71
1911 Cornwall Ganol, Gwytherin. I haven’t got the ref to hand, sorry.
1939 Jane is living in Penmaenmawr with her daughter’s family at ‘Meuryn’

[Gadget]

I'm in the middle of a big delivery so can't spend long at the moment.

The first two daughters were Jane and Catherine which, given naming conventions, would be the mothers. I see  that the David Jones that you've found married  both a Jane and a Catherine, so that looks correct. Also William fits too.

Another thing to bear in mind is that quite a lot of the 1861 census was missing so they might not appear.

Will get back when I've finished my chores!!

Gadget

[wallbanger]

Thanks, Gadget. There’s no rush; I’ve been at these two for over ten years. I’ve gone much further back with other sections of the family, in particular the Parry side.

I agree about Jane and Catherine. That was the first thing I’d thought of when I got the certificate and checked the Llandwrog census. I’ve been trying to use naming conventions where possible during all my searches, especially as they seem to be consistent, at least down to more recent times. It’s one plus in favour of the Llandwrog birth certificate, if only I could find that missing link to the known areas in Denbighshire.

Thanks for any help you can give me. I know the Denbighshire areas and the known addresses quite well, and we’ve not long moved up here, which is handy, but I’m not familiar with the Llandwrog area at all. Thanks, again. Diolch yn fawr. 

[Gadget]

It does seem a good way from the Denbighshire parishes.  Have you checked that the Llandwrog Jane lived after the 1851?

Did you know that Margaret, Thomas and William Davies are recorded as triplets on their baptism entry  - Oct 12 1885 at Gwytherin?  John and Jane are recorded as living at Waen Issa. John is a labourer .  I checked Margaret's birth to make sure that the 1939 was the correct family 

I've also  checked Tyddyn Ucha in both Gwytherin and Llangernyw in the 1861. There were two houses with that name in  Gwytherin: one was a Mill. Neither household  had any one who could be relatives.

Have you checked if David Jones, the tailor left a will? 

[Gadget]

Is this Jane Davies's death registration:

Q3, 1940, Conway, v. 11b, p 1464

If so, her age is recorded as 93 which would make her born circa 1847-8.  This date fits with the ages given on the 1871-1911 censuses. I'm wondering if the date on the 1939 is wrong.

I did find an interesting baptism  not far from Gwytherin. This Jane was illegitimate and her father was recorded as David, a labourer. I'll see if I can locate it again.

[brigidmac]

This sounds likes a good case for DNA to find hidden connections