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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #18 on: Friday 28 August 20 13:15 BST (UK) »
Hi
 attached is some info from croft histories of lochs

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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #19 on: Friday 28 August 20 13:38 BST (UK) »
Sorry everyone, have had a busy day, and though trying to wrap my brain around all the info, am a bit confused..... so many McKays... "Margaret", "Peggy",  John, Johanna McLeod... John with wife Catherine...  Really must leave it and revisit it all tomorrow - less "brain fade"!  Thanking you all for the info... ("Croft histories of Lochs" - is that a generally available source?).... Get back to you within a day or so...
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #20 on: Friday 28 August 20 13:44 BST (UK) »
hi
croft histories  is a collection from a resident genealogist on Isle of Lewis,
its available at
https://www.hebrideanconnections.com/home-page
the info attached can be followed back to 1780 by clicking on the highlighted names
achmore had lots of Mackay crofts

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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #21 on: Friday 28 August 20 13:54 BST (UK) »
hi
we had the same problem your having with a Johana Smith from lewis
she lived with her grandparents under the name Smith
she went by johana and joan,
later her mother moved to Glasgow and married a Donald MacKay
then when Johana herself married she married under the name Mackay,
so if your magaret married later she may not have married on Lewis


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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 30 August 20 09:11 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,

Busy weekend, but just sorted out my Johanna McKay info, and to be truthful, am still pretty mystified.  I do think that the birth I found (4 December 1881, registered Jan 1882), of Johanna McKay illegitimate at Achmore Lochs, to Margaret McKay, domestic servant... is the strongest option even with "wrong" date of birth according to later applicaton for War pension.  And having said that, have had yet another revisit to the 1891 and 1901 census, - (she is with Donald Stewart and children in Aberdeen in 1911) - but the two previous census are so confusing.  The most enticing 1891 and 1901 I found turned out to be the one family John McKay and wife Catherine and children... "mother" being "Catherine" not good...   Which now takes me to suggestion of FLST - re 1891 census of John and Mary McKay, daughter Peggy and Johanna McLeod.  There are 5 births for JOhanna McLeod at Lochs, between 1880 and 1885 - most obvious one at 1882 - not correct  - and running out of "credits" to look at all others!  If in fact "Peggy MacKay" was my Johanna's mother - i have a problem with the grannys maiden name being "Mary McIver m.s." - according to my JOhannas marriage statement it should be "Margaret McIver"...  Now does it sound as if i am going around in circles?  Think I am about to opt for the most obvious but not totally verified birth in December 1882 to good old plain Margaret McKay...  I am appreciative of all the efforts, but think that this might just be one of those mysteries which will remain.  I thought that the Stewarts and McMillans of the North East were confusing... must say that over in the West in Lochs, Rosshire, they are just as mystifying....
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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 30 August 20 10:24 BST (UK) »
nope your not going crazy
been through it worn the teeshirt
and have nt been locked away yet
in regards to name being different
in places like lewis most spoke gaelic back then
and still do, age's and names often where
wrongly transcribed
specially when the person moved to cities on the mainland
and could only speak gaelic,
names where often translated wrongly,
if on her marriage she gave her grandparents names
instead of her mothers it suggests her mother
left after her birth perhaps to find work and later married
on Johanas death cert possibly whoever registered it did nt know
the mothers maiden name or her mother had later married a MacLeod,






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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 30 August 20 11:59 BST (UK) »
hi
this may be of some help,
there is 2 Joan MacKays associated with 9 Achmore, Lochs
Joan born 1884 of John MacKay  & Catherine Matheson She married A John MacKay born 1879
also of 9  Achmore,
Joan Mackay born 1882 daughter Of Margaret MacKay who is daughter of John Mackay & Mary MacIver,
no other  details  are given for Margaret or Joan only that Margaret  had 2 children Joan & John,
a birth year of 1885 is given for john,
this info is from the North Lochs Historical Society,
the fact that there is no more info on Margaret or her children may suggest they left The island,
there is however more info on Margarets siblings and grandparents

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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 30 August 20 13:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Again Raonull4,

This looks good - Another late evening for me - so will try to have a look at the info from the Historical society tomorrow.... Seems like the jigsaw puzzle might be solvable after all!  Cheers - and thanks a million for your interest and help!
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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Re: Johanna McKay birth 1882 not found, confusion re Mother
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 30 August 20 14:27 BST (UK) »
possible sighting of Margaret and both kids Johana And John
1891 on dumbarton census johana's age is right John and Margarets out
sorry i m out of credits but worth a look