Samuel Jones

[Gadget]

Have you check for his service records? 

add- witnesses to marriage don't seem to give any clues - William Cumberland and Jane ?

[Betty.W]

no, would that show his mothers name? I did think about the witnesses to his marriage but they don't give any clues either.

[Gadget]

I've just had a quick look but can't see anything that jumps out.  His marriage has him as in the Lancers.

There could be a service record which should give where he enlisted which might help.

Another thought - what did they name any children, in date order? That often helps to identify parents,  as children where often named after grandparents, etc. .

[Gadget]

Have you seen the baptism of a Samuel Allen Jones, Llanarmon yn Ial December 2 1839

Parents - Rees and Elizabeth Jones, living at the Butcher's Arms alias Ship's Tavern. Rees's ocupation is given as a butcher.

It doesn't fully match but often people combined running a tavern with another occupation. 

Apols for some typos. My keyboard is sticking

[Gadget]

1851:  HO107/2504/45/1


Butchers Arms Llanarmon yn Ial

[Betty.W]

Their childrens names were :- Emma, Ann and Louisa

[Gadget]

The North Wales BMD has the following possible birth registrations (1838-1841):

Samuel Jones, 1939, Llanarmon yn Ial
Samuel Alyn Jones 1939, Llanarmon yn Ial
Samuel Jones, 1840, Denbigh

I've selected the ones that sound the most likely

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/birthsearch.php

[Gadget]

 

Not sure that the Samuel A is yours as there is one b. Llanarmon, circa 1840 on the 1861 in Holywell
RG09/4274/29/12

Add
By 1861 The Butcher's Arms was occupied by Thomas Roberts
 RG09/4289/35/1

[Betty.W]

Thanks Gadget. Pretty sure that Samuel Alyn is not  my Samuel. Samuel 1840 born Denbigh seems most likely, if his father was Samuel as well. The trouble is there are too many people named Samuel.!!