What happened to Joseph Johnston, after 1913, in Shankhill

[Peggy13]

I followed Joseph Johnston from his birth 1861/1862 in Co. Tyrone, Ireland to Andrew Johnston and Nancy Wallace although I haven't found his actual baptism. His father Andrew gives his address as Urbal/Urble, Coagh when he married Nancy Wallace and when all his post-1864 children are born. Andrew's father was Joseph, Urble, Parish of Tamlaght. Andrew had 6 children and was a carpenter.
After Nancy's death, Andrew remarried to Rachel  Margaret Lennox and they had 4 children. John Lennox Johnston was the firstborn and he died in 1913. His obit mentions his brother Joe. That is when I backtracked and found Joe, born in Co. Tyrone, and married to Annie Moore in 1885 in Magherafelt,with his  father Andrew, carpenter. All Joseph's children are born in Magherafelt with the youngest being Sophia in 1899. By 1911, Joseph had moved to Shankill but he was alive in 1913 when his half-brother John Lennox Johnston died. But I don't find Joseph again, nor any of the family. Where did they go?
Would love to find Joseph Sr. in Urbal, and his wife's name, possibly Elizabeth, and also Joseph born 1862.
Thanks
Peggy

[Peggy13]

I am still looking for Joseph and his family post 1911. I tried to attach the census but first of all, it was too big and when I tried to downsize, it was the wrong type of  file.In 1911, Joseph has wife Annie and they are living at house 14, Tudor Place,Shankhill, NOT to  be confused with another Joseph living in Belfast with wife Sarah.
I have made contact with a descendant of Joseph's sister Annie who lived in Salford, Lancashire, England. Her father remembers Joseph coming to visit Annie so Joseph must have lived til at least 1930.
Thanks for any help.
Peggy

[sam.b]

Residents of a house 14 in Tudor Place (Shankill, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname   Forename   Age   Sex   Relation to head   Religion
Johnston   Joseph   47   Male   Head of Family   Christian Commonly Known Brethren
Johnston   Annie   48   Female   Wife   Christian Brethren
Johnston   Elizabeth   24   Female   Daughter   Christian Brethren
Johnston   John   21   Male   Son   Christian Brethren
Johnston   Sarah   20   Female   Daughter   Christian Brethren
Johnston   Emma   17   Female   Daughter   Christian Brethren
Johnston   Maggie   15   Female   Daughter   Christian Brethren
Johnston   Sophia   11   Female   Daughter   No Denomination
Johnson   Elizabeth   32   Female   Niece   Christian Brethren
Johnson   William   30   Male   Nephew   Christian Brethren
Picken   William   16   Male   Boarder   No Denomination

[jonw65]

Link to image of 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001469416/

Next image tells you the address is actually 23 Tudor Place
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001469417/

See also the 1910 Belfast Directory transcription
Jos. Johnston, carpenter, at 23 Tudor Place
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/tuvcomplete1910.htm

Death there on 8 July 1910 of William Johnston
Age 22, a Tailor
Informant was father Joseph Johnston of 23 Tudor Place
Link to death pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05422/4515413.pdf

Death announcement in the Belfast Telegraph, 9 July 1910 (tidied up OCR text, check original!)
JOHNSTON—JuIy 8, 1910, at 23 Tudor Place, Crumlin Road, Belfast, William, tbe dearly beloved son of Joseph and Annie Johnston. Funeral will leave above address on Monday, the 11th Inst., at 8.45, for N.C. Railway, arriving at Magtaerafelt at 11.30. for interment in Old Church.

Could Joseph and possibly Annie also be buried at Magherafelt ?
John

[jonw65]

1932 Belfast Directory
Jos. Johnston, joiner, at 46 Wyndham Street
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1932.htm

Annie may then have died in 1932?
The OCR text in the papers not good, have you got access to the images?

Belfast Telegraph, 14 April 1932
Wyndham ?, Annie, of Joseph Johnston, address to-morrow (by motor) for Magherafelt
(sorry!)

Belfast Telegraph , 21 April, is this also relating to it?
Mr. JOSEPH JOHNSTON and Family desire to express their sincere thanks to the many Friends who sympathised with them during their deep sorrow and bereavement: also for letters and floral tributes

Joseph in 1938?
Belfast Telegraph, 15 January 1938
JOHNSTON—January 14, 1938, at his residence, 46 Wyndham Street, Belfast, Joseph Johnston. Funeral on Monday ? at 11 a.m., to Magherfelt Old Churchyard, arriving about 1 o'clock.

[Peggy13]

Good work, John. You are right on track. Thanks for the death of William Johnston in 1910, son of Joseph and Annie. I will have to look for Joseph and Annie's burials in Magherafelt. That is where they were living in 1901 and where all their children were born.
I used the link to Wylie Lennon's website and skipped to 1918. There is a Joseph Johnston, joiner, on 46 Wyndam Street. In 1911, Joseph's niece Elizabeth is  living with him - she is the daughter of Annie's sister Sarah who was married to David Johnson. I know that Annie and Sarah nee Moore are sisters but I don't know if there is a family relationship between Joseph Johnston and David Johnson/Johnston. Anyway, when Eliz. married Samuel Wilgar in 1919, her residence is 46 Wyndham Street (I just found that marriage a few minutes ago). So I feel confident that this is the correct Joseph Johnston living on 46 Wyndham meaning that he was still alive in 1918.
Thanks for all your help.
Peggy

[Peggy13]

Wow, John, you are a real detective. I am sure you have found the correct dates of death for Joseph and Annie. I wonder if they are buried near Joseph's father Andrew, who died in Magherafelt although I don't know where he is buried.
I do have a one month subscription to British Newspaper Archive which will  expire any minute but I  was able to access the death notices that you gave me.
thank you so very much. This is incredible info. If only I could find Andrew's mother which I have looked long and hard for. His father was Joseph as per his two  marriages.
Thanks again
Peggy

[Peggy13]

I noticed that in 1932, John S. Brown was living at 46 Wyndham so I looked to  see if he perhaps married one of Joseph's daughters but no luck so far.
Peggy

[jonw65]

Hi
Pleased to hear you got hold of the death notices. Those newspapers come in handy!
Good luck with the search for Andrew's mum, hope you get somewhere with her.
John