Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932

[lancsann]

this is the actual transcription from lan-opc

Baptism: 17 Jan 1904 St Peter, Greengate, Lancashire, England
Joannes Edwardus Spidy-Brown - filius Joannis Brown & Annae (formerly Johnson)
    Born: 5 Dec 1903
    Abode: 6 Paradise Hill
    Godparents: Petrus Hunt; Margaret Keefe

I would have thought given the baptism date that 1903 was the correct DOB as RC baptisms usually took place fairly soon after birth

[Peggy13]

Thank you lancsann. That does help. I am surprised that baptism is in Catholic Church.
What does lan-opc stand for?
Peggy

[lancsann]

lancashire online parish clerks. There are quite a few parish clerks sites around but I think Lancashire is one of the best. (free sites)

That baptism may not be relevant to you. I think there were quite a few Brown/Johnson combinations and quite a lot of Annie Johnsons

Not sure how many English versions of the Latin Annae there are either

[Peggy13]

You are right - hard to  know for sure. But in view of the fact that it names Annie Brown formally Johnson, and the child is John Edward, and Annie had a son John, and the residence is Paradise Hill, it seems to fit. If we could find the death of a John Edward Brown, maybe in the 1960s or  70s, it might help.
I was thinking some more about Robert's actual baptism - is there any indication of who the father might be? If he was born Sept 20, 1906 and Robert Bernard Keen married Ellen Ward on Sept 8, 1906, the father might not be Robert Bernard Keen. But who knows...
Peggy

[jonw65]

What does it mean when someone is officially closed?

Hi
It means that the record on the 1939 Register is redacted (with a black strip). This applies to anybody born less than 100 years ago whose death has not been confirmed.

We can look for another one of yours by popping in a date of birth!
So trying 5.12.1902 to look for John, and the free index has 20 Browns born on that day.
One is
John C Brown, born 1902, living at 2 Windsor Terrace, Failsworth, Salford C.B.
Could C be a misreading of E?

It also says that George H Brown and 4 more people are on the record, plus 2 more people who are officially closed.
More details are
George H Brown born 1895
Eliza Collinson (Brown)1898
Arthur Brown 1924

Eliza will be Eliza Brown, her surname having later been altered to Collinson.
So George and John should be your Brown brothers, still living in Salford, just like their sister Annie.

I too think it quite possible that Annie the mother reverted to the Brown name and, if so, that probably won't help in finding her death!
Unless she hitched up with somebody else of course!
John

[Peggy13]

That would be Annie’s son George Harry  Brown who married Eliza Burgess in 1920 (unconfirmed). After George’s death in 1945, Eliza remarried to Albert Collonson (unconfirmed). Arthur was second son. Is John living with George Harry? Does John have a wife?
I would bet that Annie the mother hitched up with someone else.
Thank you.
Peggy

[jonw65]

Hi
They are all at the same address in 1939. I don't think there is anything to indicate that John is married!
Yes, you are right, George Harry Brown married Eliza Burgess, 22 May 1920, Christ Church, Salford.
Free image on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3MJ-2S87-4

Residence 16 Rumford Street.
Now if we had some electoral registers to look at, then it might help considerably. But sadly we don't.
John

[tazzie]

Hi..

 Freebmd does have a death for George Harry Brown Dec 1919 Salford age 29.


  Tazzie

  ***** adding to my previous post ******

 I was reading back through the posts to see if we had missed anything and the above is a mistake on my part .... The death should be 1899 not 1919 so would make him born in 1870.

  Sorry. 

[jonw65]

Deceased Online free index has a burial of George Harry Brown, 18 November 1899
Location "Greater Manchester"
I believe it was at Weaste Cemetery.