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Re: Establish a Father
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 September 20 12:58 BST (UK) »
My mother only shares 336 across 9 segments longest segment 70cm

They have a shared grandmother
(I have a theory (based on lots of half sibling research )that connections for men are stronger...

happy to be contradicted


Im a generation removed  from this man so
half cousin c 1r
I share 192 cm.with him .

 # modified sorry fat fingers and bad eyesight
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 September 20 13:26 BST (UK) »
I hadn't thought of a half-relationship, even though you did mention it before  !  ;D

If that's the case then, as you said, another graph factoring half siblings would definitely be worthwhile. If anybody else wants to try feel free - I'm not sure if I'll get round to it this weekend.
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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Re: Establish a Father
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 September 20 21:45 BST (UK) »
Father A nor Father B was married to the mother.

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 September 20 22:00 BST (UK) »
Thats what I suspected tho occasionally baptisms  name birth father
Or affiliation orders are issued .
Have you gone down that road .

Sorry I cant do.charts but will find more examples to compare when you have results

Does the person concerned know the birth. Mothers details
At least that makes things easier .
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 05 September 20 22:23 BST (UK) »
Heres another example
My mother shares 220 cm with daughter of her half cousin they had same grandfather but different grandmothers

She also has matches to her great grandfather from 2  different wives
One of his grandchildren  so  cousin once remove matches her 259cm
& me 180 cm 1 c 2R ..so thats quite high
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 06 September 20 03:50 BST (UK) »
Father A nor Father B was married to the mother.
That would just change the purple things on my previous picture, i.e father A being the grandfather.
- Person-in-question and Known-grandchild would be half-first-cousins, 156-979(449)
- Person-in-question and Known-great-grandchild would be half-first-cousins-once-removed, 62-469(224)

The green side of the previous picture still applies (since this example is only comparing with known descendants of father A). So if father B was the person in question's grandfather the relationships and numbers are unchanged.
- Person-in-question and Known-grandchild would be second-cousins, 41-592(229)
- Person-in-question and Known-great-grandchild would be second-cousins-once-removed, 14-353(122)

By comparing the actual DNA matches with the expected ranges for the two scenarios you can see whether they match one, the other, both, or neither, and draw inferences from the results of tht. E.g.
 - If the match to the grandchild is >592 and to the great-grandchild >353 then father A is very likely (almost certainly?) the person in question's grandfather.
- If the match to the grandchild is <156 and to the great-grandchild <62 then father B is very likely (almost certainly?) the person in question's grandfather.
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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Re: Establish a Father
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 06 September 20 16:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks kob3203, I will now gather the DNA information needed and test the diagrams.

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 07 September 20 07:33 BST (UK) »
Don't forget to check the Useful DNA links topic in this forum.
I've just read the lostcousins article that Mart 'n' Al linked to from there and it explains far better than I could.
Good luck !
Most roots researched back to the early/mid 1800s. Years noted as 'pre' refer to my direct ancestors, although I'm interested in any relatives:
Mitchelstown, Co.Cork: CORBETT (pre1935), SWEENEY  (pre1935), CUSACK? (pre1894), KEYS? (pre1894)
Mallow, Co.Cork: BROWNE (1895-1935)
Caher, Co.Tipp: BROWNE (pre1895), PURTELL(pre1895)
Cashel, Co.Tipp: FANNING (pre1886)
Llanelly, Carms: GRIFFITHS (pre1934), REYNOLDS (pre1901), WILLIAMS (pre1934)
Ton Pentre, Glams: LEWIS (pre1901)

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« Reply #17 on: Monday 07 September 20 13:12 BST (UK) »
Thats brilliant Kob ive copied to use as quick reference for unknowns connected to my own family
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