The Gilligan family

[Helina]

I am having great trouble with this family so would appreciate any help you can give.

Mary Ellen Shepherd born 1881 Stroud Gloucestershire.  Parents Edwin and Mary Ann Shepherd.  In 1900 Mary Ellen married William Gilligan in Cardiff

According to the 1911 census they had 7 children all alive.  Now the problem starts
Children

Uriah Gilligan  1901-1987 Canton, Cardiff, Glamorgan
Mary Ann Gilligan born 1903 Canton, Cardiff, Glamorgan
Louisa Caroline Gilligan 1904-1994 Canton, Cardiff, Glamorgan
Sarah Jane Gilligan born 1905 Cardiff
William Gilligan born 1906 Cardiff
Thomas Henry Gilligan born 1908 Cardiff
George Gilligan born 1910 Pontypridd/ Cardiff

No trouble finding the birth reg for Uriah, Mary Ann, Louisa and Thomas Henry
For the other 3 children I can find no information.

The father William was born in 1875 in Swansea.  Wandering if I have the correct 1911 census as William is down as born in 1871.  https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2353&h=395171&ssrc=pt&tid=170963749&pid=292223664141&usePUB=true

They go on to have 2 more children Nellie born 1913 and James born 1916.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

helina

[rosie99]

Births Mar qtr 1910 
GILLIGAN    George       
Pontypridd    11A   Mch/17

Births Mar 1917   
Gilligan    George    mmn Sheppeard    Pontypridd    11a   942

[Helina]

Thanks Rosie,   I had not come across that birth entry, the George born 1910 was on the 1911 census but unfortunately he could of died by 1917.

helina

[Helina]

Cannot find a death for the first George between 1910-1917

Wander if I have 2 different families?

helina

[rosie99]

Those two indexes are for the same George - the birth was not registered until 1917 but also shows on the index where it should have been

[Helina]

Oh did not think that was legal

[rosie99]

It wasn't legal but it does happen.   .  Can't see the other two though yet

[Sam Swift]

Helina

Have you looked at William's WW1 Military Records - Inland Water Transport Corps

He's listed as William Gillingham born 1876 address 32 Laura St, Pontypridd
Aged 40 enlisted Oct 1916
Married at Cardiff "Regastry Office"
Royal Engineers, Inland Waterways and Dock Companies
Regimental Number 205347

In them all the children born at the time of his enlistment are listed. There are 2 pages with their names, one with no dates and the other o poor quality, but you can just make out I think that George was born in what looks to be possibly ? 3/10

Is it possible the children's birth certificates would have been needed for army purpose and since they didn't have one they had to get one post-dated?

[Helina]

Thanks Sam,  That is interesting, I'll go and have a look.

helina