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Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« on: Wednesday 09 September 20 23:39 BST (UK) »
Winteringham, Lincolnshire Baptism records 1805, Lincolnshire Archives; Imaged at FindmyPast (https://search.findmypast.com/search-world-Records/lincolnshire-baptisms) ; Luke Dixon Baptized 09 Feb 1805.  It looks like they have written "Parents rem@" after the entry. Anyone any idea what this means?
Surnames - Beaumont, Bousfield, Dixon, Tidmas.  Locations - Orton, Hull, Watford, Silvertown.

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Re: Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 September 20 02:46 BST (UK) »
I think it is remd

So an abbreviation for?  Removed, remarried, remained ?? 

Hopefully someone who really knows comes along soon  ;D

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Re: Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 September 20 08:19 BST (UK) »
Luke snr and Hannah seem to have had other children before and after Luke jnr baptised in Winteringham, so they seem settled there. Although "removed" did seem to me the most likely interpretation of the abbreviation.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 September 20 08:24 BST (UK) »
And it looks like Hannah was born in the village and the couple married there in 1800
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 September 20 09:03 BST (UK) »
It may be helpful to look at the context.

Most of the other entries on the page show two dates for each entry - the date baptism was administered, and the  date the child was Chtd ('christened'), which probably indicates acceptance into the church. Another child has a death date. 

But Luke's entry has no 2nd date, suggesting that his parents had 'removed' - left the parish after the baptism. This doesn't imply that they were formally 'removed' under the poor law, but perhaps just living elsewhere, even if temporarily.

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Re: Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 September 20 09:24 BST (UK) »
They had another child baptised in the same place 2 years later. Perhaps the comment was because the parents declined to go ahead with the second ceremony and removed the child.

Interesting that there's quite a long time - several weeks and sometimes months between bap and "Chtd" dates. There was 4 months between bap and chtd for Luke and Hannah's previous child (an earlier Luke)
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 September 20 10:50 BST (UK) »
There was an illegitimate child, Sarah Harris, b jan 24 bapt 25 Jan 1804, which has "removed."

This is a transcript and includes that of Luke, which has 'Parents removed'

http://www.winteringham.info/Genealogy/Parish_Registers/Baptism_1801-1810/baptism_1801-1810.html

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Re: Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 September 20 11:58 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the thoughts everyone.   Luke was a Waterman - does anyone think that it could be because they may be living on his boat?  Or moved in with parents outside of the Parish? The two earlier children died within a few months of being Baptised but their entries do not have the same annotation. Son John was born in 1807 no annotation either. (again, unfortunately, died within a few months) So whatever happened it was just around the birth of Luke.
Surnames - Beaumont, Bousfield, Dixon, Tidmas.  Locations - Orton, Hull, Watford, Silvertown.

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Re: Lincolnshire 1806 Baptism Record - Any idea what this means?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 September 20 20:24 BST (UK) »
I agree that "removed" (ie from the parish) is the most likely interpretation, though temporary removal may have been an excuse rather than a reason. 

In the 1811 census report (Preliminary Observations p xxiii) it was noted that difficulties arose in relation to records of baptisms:

"... for the Canon ordaining Registers applies to Christenings, without further explanation; and this word is usually understood to mean Publick Baptism only. The practice of the Clergy is not uniform on this point; and it appears from the Remarks subjoined to many of the Parish-Register Returns, that the Registry of Private Baptisms is denied in many places, from a conscientious desire thereby to induce persons to cause their Children to be publickly received into the Congregation... Publick Baptism is sometimes prevented ... by an unwillingness or inability in the Parents to incur the expence ..."

As a general comment, the parish registers for Winteringham seem to be exceptionally good. The parish was fortunate in having such a conscientious curate who evidently had the general practice of both baptising children privately soon after birth (lest they should die unbaptised) and recording that baptism. Some other clergymen either refused private baptisms or, as indicated above, failed to record them. Two entries before Luke Dixon there is a record of Hannah Glover: born 15 January 1805, baptised, probably at her parents' home, 17 January but never presented in church, because she died on 28 March. In some parishes she would probably have gone unrecorded.