The Widow Harriet ELGAR and family in Landport Terrace, Portsea, in the 1830s

[mckha489]

I guess these 4 are linked by an address.  I shall chase them up tomorrow.

Yes.  24 Landport  Terrace

[Jamjar]

Henry sailing Manila to Sydney, 1840: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article32186229

He was a merchant, so would explain why he was here.

He appears to be the owner of two vessels, the Anita and the Dianna.

There were 2 Henry Elgar in Australia, the merchant and the convict.

This is a new one for me:

On Wednesday, the 7th instant, at her residence in Fort- street, the lady of Henry Elgar, Esq., of a daughter;

The child died, aged 3months.

Court case, 1843, states that he ‘ does not reside within this Colony or its Depenencies’, 5th column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12422106

Henry Elgar the convict, who arrived 1833 on the WATERLOO, stole a cutter named BROTHERS and took to sea. A reward has been offered for him and 5 others:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article230147817

Caught and then caught again trying to escape, poor love, 1st column  :

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12417287

Jamjar

[HarryBob]

I guess these 4 are linked by an address.  I shall chase them up tomorrow.

Yes.  24 Landport  Terrace

And I found some newspaper references to the: Southsea Preparatory establishment for young gentlemen.

Now to fill in the gap from Holborn in 1830, to Portsea in 1838.

We know daughter Hannah was in London in 1831, she was a witness at the marriage of her Aunt Jane (her mother's sister) to John Wheeler.

Thank you.

Bob

[Jamjar]

An interesting story follows until his death in 1852, at sea off Macau

It appears he was still alive in 1853, living in Hong Kong, unless there was more than 2 associated with Australia.

Given that this mentions ‘Manila’ and ‘Alexander DYCE’, I’m inclined to think it’s Henry the merchant, 2nd column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4789100

Jamjar

[HarryBob]

Henry sailing Manila to Sydney, 1840: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article32186229

He was a merchant, so would explain why he was here.

He appears to be the owner of two vessels, the Anita and the Dianna.

There were 2 Henry Elgar in Australia, the merchant and the convict.

This is a new one for me:

On Wednesday, the 7th instant, at her residence in Fort- street, the lady of Henry Elgar, Esq., of a daughter;

The child died, aged 3months.

Court case, 1843, states that he ‘ does not reside within this Colony or its Depenencies’, 5th column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12422106

Henry Elgar the convict, who arrived 1833 on the WATERLOO, stole a cutter named BROTHERS and took to sea. A reward has been offered for him and 5 others:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article230147817

Caught and then caught again trying to escape, poor love, 1st column  :

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12417287

Jamjar

Thank you for your response.  I wish I could achieve similar results to you in so short a time. 

All of what you mention we have seen and have supporting documents.  Or work in underway to obtain them - one example: the Registry documents for the Diana and Anita.

The 2 Henrys in OZ tested us for a period, until a timeline showed it was not the same character.

In 1843, Henry was resident in Manila.  Though we only have direct evidence for Manila for 1842 and 1844.

A newspaper report of a NSW Supreme Court case informs Elgar made a failed attempt to leave Manila in July 1839.

In (I think) Oct 1836, a Sydney Post Office newspaper unclaimed letters advert. stated there are 3 letters for a Henry Elgar.  I came to the view these would not likely be for convict-Henry.

Our interest now is to find when and how Henry arrived in Sydney c1835.  An obituary for Ranulph Dacre from a NZ newspaper (in the 1880s), indicated Elgar ^(*) worked as a clerk for Dacre, then Dacre sent Elgar to China. 
^(*)The obit. talks of a Mr. Elgen.  We are certain this is Elgar, given the activities mentioned involving Dacre and Elgen. 

Again. Thank you.

Bob

[HarryBob]

An interesting story follows until his death in 1852, at sea off Macau

It appears he was still alive in 1853, living in Hong Kong, unless there was more than 2 associated with Australia.

Given that this mentions ‘Manila’ and ‘Alexander DYCE’, I’m inclined to think it’s Henry the merchant, 2nd column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4789100

Jamjar

Henry Elgar died on 19 August 1852 at sea off Macau, on a voyage from Whampoa.  We have a copy made in 1859 of the Portuguese Authority's 1852 report of his death. As well as an English translation made in 1870, for the Victorian Supreme Court.

There has been discussion about the advert. Is it Rochfort trying a scam?  Or a timing issue?  Elgar died in Aug/52, this advert. is published in Jan/53.  Not a long period of time in the days of communication by letter and slow sailing ships. A voyage from HK to Sydney could take 2 or more months, depending on the route and the number of stops.  (I voted for the timing issue explanation.)

Whatever, the dispute about the Special Survey land that is mentioned, played out in the Victorian courts for pretty much the next 20 years, in one way or another.

And we haven't even touched on Elgar's involvement with Greenstone from NZ, which played a part in his death. 

And there's likely more.

Bob

[HarryBob]

I don’t see any advertisements after January 1840

Neither have I.