George Richard Matthews alias Joseph Marsh 1837-1895

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Maureen, thank you for the fresh eyes!! Indeed that's them. It begs the question as to his birth name noe--Joseph Marsh or George Richard Matthews. The chase continues.

John

[AsH62]

HI Maureen
That's astonishing! Both the fact that they were living under an assumed identity and that you found it for me - thank you so much.
I noticed on the newspaper cutting John referred to in 1872 that George was using the name Joseph Matthews, what on earth were they running from.
There is no way I would have found out all of this on my own and it is so exciting
Alison

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If the 1871 census is to be believed then Joseph was born c1836 Bridport Dorset. The closest I can get is the link below with a father William. Beaminster is approx 8 miles from Bridport.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6WN-HV8

John

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Info re Thomas Leonard Matthews.
 
1881 appears as Thomas RICE aged 5 born Plymouth
1889 baptised in Liverpool details already posted
1891 appears as Thomas L Matthews aged 15 born Plymouth (in the household of John Rice)
1901 census RG13 2856 5 1  occupation "postman"
1903 Marries Elizabeth Yelland Roberts jq Kings Norton 6c 725
1904 birth of son Leonard
1908 birth of son Ronald James
1911 census Parents and children in Aston Warwickshire.
1918 death of Elizabeth Yelland Matthews aged 43 in Aston
1920 Thomas remarries Annie Penney dg Walsall
1922 birth of daughter M* B*
1939 Thomas, Annie & M*B* on register
30.3.1955 Thomas dies aged 79 in Birmingham. Also a probate record--Annie Matthews-widow.

Henry Thomas Matthews
Died 27.4. 1927, probate--to Thomas Leonard Matthews--postman.

John

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Good contender for 1881 census ?


Name:   
Joseph Marsh
Event Type:   
Census
Event Date:   
1881
Event Place:   
Crowhurst, Surrey, England
Registration District:   
Godstone
Residence Note:   
Crowhurst Cottages
Gender:   
Male
Age:   
46
Marital Status:   
Single
Marital Status (Original):   
Single
Occupation:   
Railway Labourer
Birth Year (Estimated):   
1835
Birthplace:   
Dorset, England
Relationship to Head of Household:   
Boarder
Page Number:   
10
Registration Number:   
RG11
Piece/Folio:   
804/60

John

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AsH62, one question please. Who registered the death of George Richard Matthews/Joseph Marsh in 1895 on his death cert please.

John

[AsH62]

Hi John
He died on the 15th Sept and the death was registered by the coroner in the 'Manor of Ogmore'. The inquest was on the 16th and 19th of September 1895 but I haven't been able to find the inquest and I can't read the name of the quarry but it looks like the parish of Eurenny (?) and he died at the railway huts. There is no name of any individual apart from the coroner on the death certificate.
I think that your 1881 contender is great, it fits so well that it must be him.
In 1861 just a few weeks after their wedding Jane and Richard were living in Topsham with her family and despite all the other lies he was still saying that he worked on the railway although then it was as a horse driver. The coroner said that he was 'about' 54 years old as opposed to his 58 years so they don't seem to have known much about him
Alison

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probably Ewenny 

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Ewenny

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Ok, this is coming together slowly. 1851 & 1891 census would be good to have.

Info re John Albert Rice son of John & Jane Rose Ellen.

2.6.1899 All Saint's Plymouth, Henrietta Lavinia Churchward. She was aged 19 & John Albert 21. His occ Clerk, his father John Rice-occ Furniture Dealer. hey appear on 1891/1901/1911 censu with children (easily found)
John died 29.6.1933 aged 52 in Pembrokeshire. His probate record shows widow Henrietta Lavinia Rice
Henrietta died aged 74 in 1955 Plymouth.

John