1891/1901 Census

[Ladyhawk]

mmn was Lambert on both births but no Lambert/Bowler marriage

In 1871 Charlotte Lambert aged 18 b Chichester is a servant in Sussex
RG10 Piece 1112 Folio 9 Page 10

1891 for Fulham

Charlott Bowler    36 b Portsmouth Hampshire - married
Harry 4 b Godalming
Florence 10 b Fulham
RG12 Piece 48 Folio 182 Page 52

No children on 1911 entry

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X714-81F

I couldn’t find a marriage either  according to latest census it’s around c1875

For info.

Harry was aged 14 on 1891 census transcribed as 4

The death entries for Harry & Florence

Bowler   Harry   age 18   
Jun 1895 Fulham   1a   170

Bowler   Florence   age 19   
Jun 1900 Fulham   1a   214

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No children on 1911 entry

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X714-81F

Sorry Carol, there are 2 children recorded, not on Familysearch.

As found earlier Samuel did have a brother Austin who did marry another Charlotte (Freeman) in Mansfield in 1873 and appear in 1881/1891 but that's not what was originally asked for.

John

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Baptised the same day, 5th March 1881 St Mary Magdelane, Bermondsey, Harry & Florence Bowler.
Parents Samuel & Charlotte, abode 4 Crucifix Lane, occupation "Butler"

John

[Ladyhawk]

There is this Charlotte Bowler on 1881 census but doesn’t say if she’s married

4, Crucifix Lane, Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey
Charlotte   Bowler   Ldgr Head 1852   Dressmaker   Chichester, Sussex
Harry   Bowler   Son   1877   Godalming, Surrey
Florence   Bowler   Daughter   1881 Surrey
RG11 Piece 562 Folio   101 Page   18

Baptised the same day, 5th March 1881 St Mary Magdelane, Bermondsey,
Harry & Florence Bowler.
Parents Samuel & Charlotte, abode 4 Crucifix Lane, occupation "Butler"

Thank you John - that confirms the Bowler from the 1881 census, husband/father was named Samuel

[steve62]

I really appreciate all the work all you have been doing on my behalf, but can we just recap on a few things.

On a very reliable Bowler Family Site (owner now deceased) I found and checked a lot of info I have and almost all (99%) tallies with mine.  It goes back to the 1600's as does my tree.
Yes the parents of Samuel were  John Bowler and Mary Barks.  This site gives the Birth of Samuel  27/09/1840.  No details of marriage.

1871 Census
Samuel Bowler b. 1841 Police Constable
Fanny b.1841 Watnall, Notts
Lucy A. b. 1865 Notts.
Minnie A. b. 1871 Radford, Notts.

amondg - Samuel to the USA in 1900 Census b. 1832 - therefore not mine. Sorry
             -  Have details of John Bowler and Mary Barks

             -  Minnie Ada (bowler) Wilkinson b. 1871 Radford, Notts and Lucy Annie (Bowler) Wilkinson
                tallies with the abve 1871 Census.

Ladyhawk - Samuel in 1911 Census, 47 Chester Square married 1848.  Not mine

Now on ANC been looking again at those trees with scant info for non-subscribed.  There is one I found that states Samuel was married to a Fanny Wilkinson.
I decuct from this what I have on Samuel is correct, except it is not Fanny Bayliss, but Fanny Wilkinson.  However I cannot find a marriage for them, plus cannot find a death date for him between 1881 and 1911.  Given he was not there in 1881 and in 1891 Minnie is alone.

Again I do appreciate your help.  I just want to clarify a few things.

Steve

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Hi Steve, Having read your last post my only concern is how can you sure of your facts without evidence in the form of documentation. Sorry to have wasted your time.

John

[steve62]

Hi John,
Correct. Need to find a marriage of Samuel to one of these and order an MC. Could always be they lived over the brush.
You have not wasted my time because in the dark every little bit helps. In fact I think I have wasted your time.
Your input has been very much appreciated as that of everyone else.
Steve

[CaroleW]

1861 census

Fanny Wilkinson b 1840 Watnall Notts working as a nurse to the insane at the Asylum in Notts

RG9 Piece 2459 Folio 99 Page 27

No other 1871 entry for a Samuel Bowler with a wife Fanny

[steve62]

Thank you.  It all helps.
Steve