Ethel Quin

[CaroleW]

That date etc refers to the E Baird with 2 children - ruled out on earlier replies

I suspect whoever has been researching Ethel prior to this post being raised has fallen in the same trap and jumped to the wrong conclusions.   

The family on the Braemar Castle were from Scotland - not England.  See my earlier reply #32

The 1953 emigration was clearly somebody from Scotland as the address was Peterhead Aberdeen.  Scotlands People has a birth in 1947 Peterhead matching one of the childrens entries

Given that Ethel's own daughter was born in 1947 - that child is hardly likely to be hers.  Also unlikely she would have another child aged 8 if she was only born in 1928

[Nookie]

I agree totally with you Carole.

[CaroleW]

Derek

I don't think we can help any further until you buy that 1959 marriage cert and/or look for an English divorce - see my reply #49

[CaroleW]

To rule out that 1953 emigration once and for all

Marriage 1945 Peterhead - William Baird to Elizabeth Gedde Watson

The 1953 passenger list shows Mrs E Baird aged 25 - last address 10 Cairncatlo Rd Peterhead

9.6.1953 - Mr W Baird aged 27 left London for Capetown  - last address 10 Cairncatlo Rd Peterhead

[Nookie]

Right.  Lets start from the beginning.
 
As we cannot find Ethel's birth we would need:

1. Marriage certificate to Glenister -  To check the witnesses.
2. Her divorce papers from Glenister to see where she was living (and with whom)
3. The marriage of Baird in 1959 to see if he was widowed or divorced.
4  If divorced - the divorce papers
5. The signature of the bride on the marriage certificate to Charle Richardson in 1959
5. If widowed then we know to look for her death

[IgorStrav]

I agree with both Carole and Nookie that the Braemar Castle entry is a red herring - information possibly found by someone else researching Ethel - and that Ethel Quin Baird may never have travelled to South Africa.

Possibly 'travelling abroad' was mentioned, and this grew into the South Africa story?

The info you mention, Nookie, will help a lot, surely.

[CaroleW]

Reply 18 refers - witnesses to Glenister marriage were G Hornsey & A Randall

[derekjwatson25]

On both marriage certificate the name is only shown as Ethel Quin and Ethel Glenister/ Quin and her daughter has no knowledge of where she was born.
She knows her mother and father divorced in 1948 and she remarried in 1952 and was told she left to go to SouthAfrica. I will rescan the marriage certs but apart from fathers name on 1st marriage certificate and names of witnesses and addresses at the time of the marriage there’s not a lot to proceed on.

[Nookie]

Father's name?  Whose? Ethels dad?