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1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« on: Wednesday 23 September 20 02:18 BST (UK) »
Hello.

My grandfather Alexander Boyle in Ayrshire was born in 1783 and in his document it mentions the location/mill that his father Alexander Boyle is from. Could anyone please help decipher what it says? The birth took place in Maybole.

Thanks in advance

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Re: 1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 September 20 04:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Alan,

Sorry, this is a very difficult one - and I won't be of much help - but will make a feeble attempt, and bounce it back up the list for someone else to help.
Looks like:
"Jany 7 1783 Alexander Boyle in(?) Ghila (?) ?inzie (?) and Elizabeth Galbraith his spouse had a son in lawful marriage  Baptized.  Alexander Chisholm."

Word after "Boyle" really looks like "in" (why not "of" if it refers to where he came from....) -  next word ??? very difficult - and third one looks like ?inzie - ? another place name.  Anyway - good luck with it!
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Re: 1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 September 20 05:04 BST (UK) »
There is a creek south east of Maybole named Kilhenzie Burn

And on this map, other places including a castle site. A wood. Etc

https://maps.nls.uk/view/74425832#zoom=6&lat=5835&lon=2322&layers=BT

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Re: 1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 September 20 07:01 BST (UK) »
I think you both have pretty much worked it out.

As I see it, it's a single word split between lines with an = at each side of the split.

On line 2:    =henzie / =hinzie

On line 1:    ?il=

Can you find a K written in the same hand?


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Re: 1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 September 20 07:06 BST (UK) »
Description from Ayrshire Ord Survey maps 1855-57
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: 1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 September 20 09:16 BST (UK) »
."

Word after "Boyle" really looks like "in" (why not "of" if it refers to where he came from....) -

It would be worth checking the other entries on the page to compare whether the scribe generally writes 'in' or 'of 'a place.
I seem to remember in Scotland 'in' a place meant the person was a tenant there, and 'of' a place meant they were the owner of that place - ie not just on a lease.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: 1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 September 20 09:19 BST (UK) »
As Goldie says, in Scotland the following applies:

John Smith of a place owns it
John Smith in a place is a tenant there (sometimes just lives there)
John Smith at a place is there on a more temporary basis

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Re: 1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 September 20 10:01 BST (UK) »
Good shout Kilhenzie. I doubt if that will be how it's pronounced in Ayrshire though!  ;D

The Boyle's are the earls of Glasgow but I'd keep that quiet!

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Re: 1783 location in birth document - need a hand
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 September 20 15:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for the help!

Here is more of the document to compare:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U69fQQRYBG8prprx0-br5iMmudtdGWm_/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q1_Lm-eTUdxmdG3rmNnkJgT9Y5KwVGsF/view?usp=sharing

I had originally thought it said Miln Hinzie or something similar. Kilhenzie makes a lot of sense! Alexander boyle senior is listed in the documents as a gardener.
Stewart. Scott. Bruce. McPherson. McMurray. McKibbin . McKay. McCann. Mckrinkine. McClewnan. McCallum. Joss. Ross. Morrison. Chapman. Middlemiss. Robinson. Conlon. Duffy. Dalgarno. Crookshank. Gammack. Ramsay. Mutch. Crawford. Orr. Galbraith. Kerr. Fergusson. Campbell.