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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 September 20 18:12 BST (UK) »
Have you managed to find that Elizabeth Locke in 1871?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 September 20 20:54 BST (UK) »
No I canít find her in 1871. Concern is that she is Elizabeth rather than Eliza Jane.
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Armitage, Slaithwaite; Buck, Staffs & Hampshire; Buckley, Bolton & Manchester; Temple, London & Hampshire; Crummett, Norfolk & Burnley; Osborne, Cornwall & Burnley; Haigh, Manchester & Todmorden; Gralton/Grant, Manchester & Ireland; France, Manchester & Slaithwaite; Shackleton, Burnley & Yorkshire; Dicks, Nottingham & Wiltshire; Sowter, Derbyshire

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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 September 20 22:23 BST (UK) »
To try to eliminate that Elizabeth could either of these be her???
Marriages Dec 1887 
CROOK    Algernon        Lambeth    1d   875    
Harvey    Adelaide        Lambeth    1d   875    
LOCKE    Elizabeth        Lambeth    1d   875    
MOORES    Thomas        Lambeth    1d   875
Cannot find parish register entry on ancestry

Marriages Dec 1889   
Barnes    Richard        Lambeth    1d   780    
LOCKE    Elizabeth Charlotte        Lambeth    1d   780     [from parish register entry on ancestry age 23, married Barnes, father James Locke, bothparties  living at 120 Wandsworth Road]
Ross    Robert Edward        Lambeth    1d   780    
Zawadska    Grace Maria V        Lambeth    1d   780
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 September 20 22:31 BST (UK) »
Well they are not much help

Can't find a baptism that fits either

Wonder if she is any census in New Zealand

Bit of a needle in a haystack

Louisa Maud

Censuses not kept in NZ.

Do you know the details of her NZ death certificate?  It should have both parents names, where she was born etc. (but of course only as far as the informant knew them, but sometimes a lie is as good as the truth).

If not and you need to order it, order the printout

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dDeathSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
currently concentrating on a number of Staffordshire families.

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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 September 20 22:57 BST (UK) »
Just been reading through all the notes again. She celebrated her birthday in December. She was 86 years old when she died in 1951 so her birth would be December 1865. Her children and grandchildren were always told her father was Enos Locke. She had a harsh childhood and recounted a story of being dressed up for visits by smart people who had a carriage. So maybe in the workhouse being visited by the Board of Guardians. She didnít know her parents. I am wondering if she sort of adopted Enos Crummett as a father figure.
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Armitage, Slaithwaite; Buck, Staffs & Hampshire; Buckley, Bolton & Manchester; Temple, London & Hampshire; Crummett, Norfolk & Burnley; Osborne, Cornwall & Burnley; Haigh, Manchester & Todmorden; Gralton/Grant, Manchester & Ireland; France, Manchester & Slaithwaite; Shackleton, Burnley & Yorkshire; Dicks, Nottingham & Wiltshire; Sowter, Derbyshire

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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 24 September 20 23:00 BST (UK) »
Well they are not much help


Censuses not kept in NZ.

Do you know the details of her NZ death certificate?  It should have both parents names, where she was born etc. (but of course only as far as the informant knew them, but sometimes a lie is as good as the truth).

If not and you need to order it, order the printout

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dDeathSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults

Thanks for this information. We donít have the death details. If she didnít know her parents and her descendants were always told her father was a Enos Locke then thatís what they would have told the registrar.

It follows that William Locke on her first marriage certificate must be made up.
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Armitage, Slaithwaite; Buck, Staffs & Hampshire; Buckley, Bolton & Manchester; Temple, London & Hampshire; Crummett, Norfolk & Burnley; Osborne, Cornwall & Burnley; Haigh, Manchester & Todmorden; Gralton/Grant, Manchester & Ireland; France, Manchester & Slaithwaite; Shackleton, Burnley & Yorkshire; Dicks, Nottingham & Wiltshire; Sowter, Derbyshire

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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #15 on: Friday 25 September 20 07:36 BST (UK) »
Her death cert might reveal her birthday which would be a plus, if she was born in December she might have a January 1866 qtr registration if she was born late December

Louisa Maud
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #16 on: Friday 25 September 20 07:43 BST (UK) »
Her death cert might reveal her birthday which would be a plus, if she was born in December she might have a January 1866 qtr registration if she was born late December

Louisa Maud

No it wonít, only her age which we know from the index.
currently concentrating on a number of Staffordshire families.

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Re: Enos Crummett and Eliza Jane Locke - father and daughter???
« Reply #17 on: Friday 25 September 20 10:48 BST (UK) »
I was hoping in New Zealand they would show her date of birth, what about her burial

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Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes