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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 04 October 20 10:08 BST (UK) »
Just in case there's still any doubt in anyone's mind, RHW, as used in the parish registers of St George in the East, is indeed the standard abbreviation for Ratcliffe Highway.

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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 04 October 20 10:21 BST (UK) »
Given that John Gordon was a shipwright and that it was such a poor area, I was thinking they would have been very close to the Thames rather than the highway.  However, I am happy with any suggestions you can offer.

Itís only a hop skip and a jump to the Thames from the Ratcliffe Highway.  :)

If you explore the relatively contemporary map at my reply #3, you will get a feel for the area at that time. Iím not sure if it was a poor area or not, though it is possible some parts of the Highway were poorer, but others may not have been. As you can see, it is quite a long street.

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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 04 October 20 11:05 BST (UK) »
Bookbox and Ruskie,  Thank you both so much.  These explanations and maps convince me that this family of Gordons actually resided somewhere along Ratcliff Highway.  I have spent too much time trying to find a site with abbreviations for street names.  You have both been so helpful.


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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 04 October 20 13:53 BST (UK) »
Many of my family lived close to, and were baptised at St George in the East.

I was recently able to visit London and see the area for the first time (heavily bombed in WWII so not much like it was when my family lived there in the 1870's and onwards).  The walk from Shoreditch Church, where we parked, down to the docks along Brick Lane and past Cable Street was very interesting.

St George in the East is very close indeed to the docks, which have now been heavily gentrified (the yachts in St Katherine's Dock have to be seen to be believed).

There is also the remains of the railway which ran close by.

Ratcliffe Highway, The Highway, was in the centre of the slums, and had a very poor reputation, largely driven by the extreme poverty of the families who had to live there.  My great grandfather was a docker, and I can only imagine the insecurity, low pay and hard labour of the occupation.



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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 04 October 20 14:00 BST (UK) »
IgorStrav, Thank you for your family info.  Unfortunately, when I last visited England, I did not have this recent information about this section of my Gordon ancestors so did not try to visit the area.  I was aware that it was a very socially deprived area and generally considered to be quite a dangerous place in which to live in those early times. How they survived and raised families under such hardship is difficult to imageine.

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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 October 20 15:55 BST (UK) »
From Wikipedia:
By 1908 Ratcliff Highway had different names for each of its sections. From west to east these ran: St. George's Street East, High Street (Shadwell), Cock Hill, and Broad Street.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Highway
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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 04 October 20 17:07 BST (UK) »
I donít want to put the image here as Iím not sure about itís copyright. If you google Ďsailing ship penangí and view the images you realise how close the housing was to the docks.

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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 04 October 20 21:18 BST (UK) »
I donít want to put the image here as Iím not sure about itís copyright. If you google Ďsailing ship penangí and view the images you realise how close the housing was to the docks.

Nic,  Thank you for that, will now check that site

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Re: St George in the East street names
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 04 October 20 21:21 BST (UK) »
From Wikipedia:
By 1908 Ratcliff Highway had different names for each of its sections. From west to east these ran: St. George's Street East, High Street (Shadwell), Cock Hill, and Broad Street.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Highway

KGarrad  Thank you for that information too, I had noticed these on more recent maps.