Maggie McClure 1889

[erika]

Hi All

Whilst researching my Scottish ancestors, on a birth certificate  I found the couple were married in Belfast.
Never having to do any research in Ireland before I was interested in finding out more about the bride who I presume was Irish.
She was Maggie McClure and married Edward McGiveran on July 3rd 1889 in Belfast. He was born in Coatbridge Scotland in 1866.

So any information on Maggie McClure and her family would be appreciated, or pointers as to where I may look for information.

Thanking you in anticipation

Cheers
Erika

[CaroleW]

You don’t say whether they were living in Scotland or Ireland in 1891/1901/1911 nor do you give any details of her birthyear

Scottish 1891 shows birthyear as 1871 but birthplace Ireland - the 1911 should give the county

Irish census info here http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

If she died in Scotland - her parents names will be on her death cert

[heywood]

Here’s the marriage certificate with her father’s details and her age

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10739/5915579.pdf

Interesting re the witnesses and the other marriages - a busy time 

[erika]

Thank you for your very prompt replies Carole and heywood.

Firstly Carole, I didn't have any other information about Maggie only what I had on a birth certificate for a son born in Gorbals, Lanarkshire in 1890. On the Scottish birth cert it gives the marriage date and place of the parents, my only clue to this mystery!
I have been looking into the Mcgiveran family, all from Glasgow and Coatbridge as they are a sideways move on my Campbell line, which has been my main family concern.

Secondly heywood, a very interesting marriage cert indeed. Still a little confused though. On the son's birth cert in 1890 Edward's occupation is given as a spirit salesman!, so did he leave the army and move back to Scotland where he was originally from? He also gives father's name as Peter, but it was Patrick, although he did have a brother named Peter. He must have enlisted in the army and been posted to Ireland and met Maggie over there.
 Love all those marriages, must have been lining up at the door

Thank you both again for your help it is very much appreciated

Cheers
Erika

[CaroleW]

A tree on Ancestry has an Edward McGivern (note spelling) b 3.4.1866 Coatbridge dying in Montreal Canada 28.12.1944. 

If it is the same Edward - it gives incorrect info

Married Margrete Lynas ??
Son Edward b 1890 Birmingham - 1891 has Glasgow.  Died 1959 North Dakota
Shows a 1901 entry for an Edward & Ellen McGivern both b Scotland with a son Edward b 1893

SP shows Edward was registered as McGivern - not McGiveran

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/76085031/person/32380052784/facts

[erika]

There have been a few mis spellings of McGiveran whilst I've been doing my research which is quite confusing. I have seen that tree on Ancestry and can't quite fathom it out.
The birth is correct as I have the certificate, although as you say registered as McGivern!
Edward and Maggie's son was born in Crown Street, Glasgow on 7 November 1890 and was called Edward.
I have found so many trees on Ancestry that have the wrong info on them and claim this and that, I'm sometimes screaming at the screen as I have a certificate right in front of me with the correct info on it. I think sometimes people just like to collect names and if it fits it must be right!!!!

Incidentally Edward b.1866, parents were Patrick McGiveran and Matilda Milne m 1863 in Airdrie

Thanks again

Cheers
Erika

[CaroleW]

I know exactly what you mean.  The tree even has the right birthdate for Edward jnr but how on earth have they got him born Warwickshire??

There is an outgoing passenger record for an Edward McGivern aged 41 & Edward McGivern aged 19 travelling together 6.6.1907 Belfast to Quebec.

However - both entries have a line through them so don’t know if they sailed or not - or whether they are the same Edward’s as in 1891

Can’t see either a 1901 Irish or Scottish entry

[erika]

Edward's parents did move to Birmingham where they died. 1911 census has them in Coventry and 1901 they were in Barrow in Furness. Edward wasn't with them in either.

I'm not really sure what to make of it, maybe Maggie died and he remarried. Possible he went to Canada. This whole family has been a mystery always moving around.
I've been searching for my gt grandfather ( he would have been Edward's uncle ) for years, can't find a death and maybe he disappeared to Canada too!!

Cheers
Erika

[erika]

Whoops!!!!

Just found a little titbit, but unfortunately can't read the trial .

UK, Naval and Military Courts Martial Registers , 1806-1930
Edward McGiveran
Court or Trial Date  18 Dec 1889
Belfast
Gordon Highlander
Ref No, WO 86/38

They are on Fold3 which I haven't access to.
Any help anywhere please?

Cheers
Erika