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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 31 October 20 23:08 GMT (UK) »

I'm retired, but I would definitely be sacking any of my workers who by their deliberate actions endangered the lives of others


What would you do with the employers whose actions endanger the lives of others?

I don't feel sorry for anyone who puts the wellbeing of others firmly at the back of their mind just so they can enjoy themselves.

Usually self employed and owners of small companies are working all hours God sends, thus might not have time for pleasures..  I suppose, they could have been the ones who had sufficient money in their back pockets to drive up to 500 miles to the seaside.- - thus introducing the virus into places that had escaped the scourge.

We've discovered many carriers don't know who they've been in contact with

If the police had been taking every partygoer's name, we would have future reference so that we could hit them where it hurt = their pockets.

I might not be so harsh if I had not been the victim of several cancelled medical appointments due to lockdowns over several months .
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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 31 October 20 23:31 GMT (UK) »
The UK Military have been asked to draw up plans to assist in the fight against the virus.

"30 October 2020 — Guidance

Military personnel are supporting public services across the UK to assist with the response to COVID-19. This page has the latest information on the MOD’s activities.
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-support-force-the-mods-continued-contribution-to-the-coronavirus-response

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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 31 October 20 23:40 GMT (UK) »

I'm retired, but I would definitely be sacking any of my workers who by their deliberate actions endangered the lives of others


What would you do with the employers whose actions endanger the lives of others?

I don't feel sorry for anyone who puts the wellbeing of others firmly at the back of their mind just so they can enjoy themselves.

Usually self employed and owners of small companies are working all hours God sends, thus might not have time for pleasures..  I suppose, they could have been the ones who had sufficient money in their back pockets to drive up to 500 miles to the seaside.- - thus introducing the virus into places that had escaped the scourge.

We've discovered many carriers don't know who they've been in contact with

If the police had been taking every partygoer's name, we would have future reference so that we could hit them where it hurt = their pockets.

I might not be so harsh if I had not been the victim of several cancelled medical appointments due to lockdowns over several months .

I am referring to employers who do not take action to make a secure, safe environment for their workers, not people who attend parties etc.
You would sack workers who deliberately endanger the lives of others. I just wondered about the employers.
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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 31 October 20 23:50 GMT (UK) »
Mark - your reply about the spread via travel - in my opinion - hits the nail on the head.

I have long been of the opinion that once earlier restrictions were lifted & people were allowed to travel abroad - we would see an increase. 

Back in September I was told of a young woman who went to Spain for a week with 5 friends.  3 days after her return she tested positive for Covid but in that time how many others were potential victims?   All the people on her flight plus those she socialised with in the 3 days after her return?

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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 01 November 20 00:53 GMT (UK) »
My daughter and  her husband have a motorcycle franchise .They are not selling as that involves a test ride ,bike sanitised etc,
They get so much aggro from customers who won’t stick to the rules.
For example ,the toilets ,everything in place for people to sanitise prior to using  the facilities ,wipers ,hand  sanitisers ,everything.And after their use.
Yet the number of people who won’t do that.Despite big notices .
One man refused to do it,saying sneeringly that he had a woman at home to do that for him !
Wow!
Did he get told off !
Daughter checks each time it us used ,and does
hourly sanitising anyway,but each customer ought to do it .
They are having bikes serviced as it could be dangerous if not done.
One went on Facebook and moaned about it but others said what a moron
to not appreciate  the high standard in place which was for  customers safety primarily .
The bikes go in, are sanitised prior to the extensive service ,then sanitised
again ready to hand over to the valeting Dept prior to a full valeting .
All at the cost to the franchise .They are paid only for the service time .
Normally a coffee machine is there for  customers to serve themselves but not now ,instant coffee in disposable paper cups which are incinerated .
Daughter makes it for customers ,so nothing but the cup is touched by them.
Masks all day, hand sanitising throughout the day etc etc .
Then one awkward person can be so stupid .
But my daughter is fierce,stands no messing , and  gets many plus reviews
for the stance she has taken .
So much is at stake ,it has to be like that for everyone .
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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 01 November 20 07:30 GMT (UK) »
We are Governed by imbeciles.

It does not take a PHD in Science or statistical Maths to work out that the way to limit this crisis is to have phased Total Lockdowns periodically.

No it takes a hell of a lot more than that which is why most countries in the world are struggling to cope.
The countries that have faired the best are the ones where the population respect the government and do as they have been told rather than flouting the rules.
The government cannot stop the course of the virus that depends on the actions of the general population.

Kids half term was a golden opportunity to add on a couple of more weeks.

Hopefully this four week period will be supported and the authorities come down hard on those that flout the rules.

If all goes well the rules at Christmas can be relaxed for a week or two and when the cases rise in the New Year (as they will) then another lockdown can be planned for.

Or better still extend the lockdown over Christmas (it is after all only another day of the week and not the day of Christ's birth).
That way the 'R' rate will be on a definable downward track 

Surely these cyclic lockdowns are the way forward until an effective vaccine is produced and our fellow citizens are inoculated.

No, short breaks are not the way forward but in reality an emergency brake. They do a huge amount of damage to business and the economy for little gain and only delay the rise in infection. It takes longer term hard lockdowns to have any real effect.
Just think, if a shop is forced to closed for two weeks, it cannot take delivery of goods ordered, that delivery has to be stored somewhere taking up space and costing extra money, that has a knock on effect on other goods being prevented on being delivered to the warehouse, etc. When the shops open again they don't have the goods to sell as they are not in stock and the delivery is delayed because of the backlog of goods to be delivered and the limits on driving time.

Mind you a Facebook friend of my Wife suffered an acute Asthma Attack and she was taken into her local A&E against her will only by the Ambulance service only to be placed in a four bay holding area where the other three were snorting and coughing, there were no effective screens between them and none were given facemasks to wear.  She videoed her experiences and is now terrified she could have been infected.

You say she went to hospital against her will, do you mean she was kidnapped by the ambulance crew, she could have refused, as my mother-in-law used to do. She must have consented, unless unconscious or other wise unable to speak.

The crowded hospitals is the basic reason why the lockdown was reluctantly announced, if people had observed the rules, instead of flaunting them, by things like gathering outside pubs when they closed early (to give just one example, though I am not just referring to covid rules) the hospitals would not be so busy.
It is time the population take responsibility for their own actions, it is not the government who is spreading the virus but potentially each and every one of us.
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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 01 November 20 07:52 GMT (UK) »
I don't think the remedy is very easy at all, SARS-CoV-2 / Covid-19 seems to be a Law until itself.

No wonder in October a City had 9 million people tested in 5 days. Makes me wonder how a country has such huge facilities?

I bet all those people testing positive had to live by extremely strict instructions and be retested again, plus get assistance to receive food and help, because one trip to a food shop and it would be ... here we go again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54504785

Viral Shedding (One case was 60 days)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7471550/
Says Covid-19 can be shed in numerous ways?

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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 01 November 20 08:43 GMT (UK) »
Some countries have done better than others: NZ and Australia (mostly!) for example.
Where I live, on the Isle of Man, we closed the borders; closed the airport and allowed freight only to arrive by sea.

Residents have been allowed to leave the island, but must self-isolate for 14 days on return.
Essential workers are also allowed, if they have permission from the Government, and must follow strict isolation rules.

Transgressers are arrested, and almost always given a short, sharp jail sentence - 4 weeks, or 6 weeks, or 8 weeks for the worst cases.
Those breaking rules have to be punished.

Result? No Covid - with just a few vases amongst those self-isolating.
No cases in the community.

It can be done! :)
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Re: England Briefing On TV at 5pm and Commons Statement this Evening
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 01 November 20 08:57 GMT (UK) »
I agree, KG, it can be done, but much easier on an island as small as the Isle of Man. There is no way that prisons could cope if everyone who broke the rules in England was jailed. Most of the other strategies that have worked there as well, wouldn't be possible on the mainland. Just be glad that you live where you do.
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