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Re: Chilling Murder Repeats Itself 157 Years Apart - tale of strange coincidence
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 00:00 GMT (UK) »
I helped a DNA Jones match with adopted grandmother work out his links to our other DNA matches
I sent him photos of his grandmother s grandmother and two of her siblings so he could look for facial resemblance
It turned out that he already had ...the original..of the photo others were sharing but he didn't know who the old lady was and thought it was from his grandfather s side
To me and a descendant of that 3x g gmather it was proof of the link
But to him it was also proof that his grandmother had stayed in touch with her birth family

Coincidence..if I hadn't added my great grandfather s sisters portrait from one private tree a( with permission) and put on mine he wouldn't have seen it
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Re: Chilling Murder Repeats Itself 157 Years Apart - tale of strange coincidence
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 08:16 GMT (UK) »
What a good outcome Brigidmac, from this coincidence.  I can imagine how happy this would have made him to have proof that his Grandmother had stayed in touch with birth family.
Conroy, Fitzpatrick, Watson, Miller, Davis/Davies, Brown, Senior, Dodds, Grieveson, Gamesby, Simpson, Rose, Gilboy, Malloy, Dalton, Young, Saint, Anderson, Allen, McKetterick, McCabe, Drummond, Parkinson, Armstrong, McCarroll, Innes, Marshall, Atkinson, Glendinning, Fenwick, Bonner

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Re: Chilling Murder Repeats Itself 157 Years Apart - tale of strange coincidence
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 09:57 GMT (UK) »
Fascinating thread RTL.
Great reading.
Thanks.  :D
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Re: Chilling Murder Repeats Itself 157 Years Apart - tale of strange coincidence
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 10:35 GMT (UK) »
I agree, fascinating.
I’m off to look for coincidences in mine.
The only one that springs to mind is the day my husband came into the room to see why I was laughing so much.
I explained that I had just completed a ‘Royal Flush’ as all of our Grandmothers had had ‘miracle’ , less than 9 month pregnancies  :o


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Re: Chilling Murder Repeats Itself 157 Years Apart - tale of strange coincidence
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 11:00 GMT (UK) »
You are welcome Mowsehowse and oldfashionedgirl. :). I hope all the Royal Flush survived the early births!

I have just thought of another personal coincidence.  My Grandfather was widowed twice and married a third time.  When I was a child I would visit them either with my Mother or on my own.  She was a lovely old lady, this step Grandmother but we all called her 'Aunty'.  Aunty had two children - a married daughter and a son who lived with them (quite old too) who had been reputed to have spent many years in Morpeth. (asylum).   I remember that he did not seem very well even then and appeared to be suffering from seemed to be what we would think of as shell shock.  He would have bad turns sometimes, especially if there was a sudden noise.  As a child I would find myself sometimes staring at this usually silent man, and unusually for an adult he would stare right back.  When I was eleven my Dad's sister took me abroad with her family on a plane.  When we came back and were almost about to land I got this sudden forboding sense that he was dead.  I said to my Aunt "Uncle Bob is dead".  I can't remember what Aunty said but I do remember that when my much older brother came to pick us up in his car one of the first things he said was to tell us that Uncle Bob had just died.  I remember Dad's sister's mouth nearly dropped open.
Then last year doing a little bit of research, I discovered that my step Grandmother had had two more sons who I hadn't known anything about.  Both had served in WW2 - one drowned and the other has a war grave in Holy Cross Cemetery.
Then onto this year pre lockdown...  I do a little bit of voluntary war research and an email from a very old lady was passed on to me wanting to know about 2 named people who had been killed through the war.  Well, when I looked into things I found that these two men were actually my step Grandmother's brothers!  Both had been killed with their families when their homes had been bombed.  Of course, I got straight back in touch with the old lady and related my connection and asked if she might be a relation of step Grandmother.  However, she said she had only been a child neighbour at one point and had been thinking of them.  So it was the coincidence of her email being passed on to me (of all people) that I discovered what sad things this step Grandmother went through.  Not only one son who seemed to have shell shock and two died through the war but also two brothers and their families lost.  I really don't know how she managed to keep so stoic! 
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Re: Chilling Murder Repeats Itself 157 Years Apart - tale of strange coincidence
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 13:56 GMT (UK) »
My coincidences relate to my and OH’s trees.  We met in 2007, and after talking about my interest in family history, he mentioned a cousin had passed on a lot of information about his paternal family, several branches having arrived in Ontario before 1850.  When I looked through the folder I realized one of his 3x great-grandmothers and one of mine were born in the same village, Tatham, Lancs., about 18 years apart.  Funny to think the family members probably knew each other.  His ancestor and her husband came to Canada soon after the 1841 census.  My father was born in Burnley and came here as a child.
We also realized that although OH was born in Michigan and I in Quebec, his Danish grandfather ended up living in the town I grew up in.  He still has relatives there and visited the town a few times over the years.  Strangely his daughter had to have her hand stitched on a visit there, in the small hospital I was born in.

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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 14:44 GMT (UK) »
Oh, what a lot of coincidences Diana!  Incredible too to think that your OH and your ancestors probably knew each other at one period  and may have been friends.  A case of 'we'll meet again' it sounds like.

I have Tyne Pilot (sea & river) ancestors and I have been a couple of times to Heritage Open Day Pilot events.  It felt strange to think that all the other descendants there had ancestors who had known my own ancestors and that they had been friends.  Really felt like a small world as we discussed ancestors and their group photos.
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Re: Chilling Murder Repeats Itself 157 Years Apart - tale of strange coincidence
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps another coincidence.  I once contributed to helping on a long running thread on here.  One of the ancestors we were looking at had had a very rough start in life and in the early 1900s had got in trouble with the law a few times.  However, as we looked at things I began to suspect that one of this person's partners in crime was actually an ancestor in my own tree.  My Great Grandfather's sister's Grandson to be exact.  Anyway, the two of them went to court together twice.  The one who I think might have been my ancestor used the same alibi twice - that he was only carrying the stuff for the other person.  Amazingly, my (I suspect) ancestor got off twice and the other was sentenced.  I am not very happy about this as the upshot is that the other descendants on that thread have some really good criminal mugshots of their ancestor .. Whereas I could have had a couple too if not for the alibis.  ::) Oh well, life's tough sometimes.  ;)
It is amazing to think by coming together on RootsChat our  paths have sort of crossed again even though we - the descendants- live many miles apart.
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Re: Chilling Murder Repeats Itself 157 Years Apart - tale of strange coincidence
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 November 20 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Great stories and coincidences, RTL!
I do have another more modern one, my son grew up in a small town in Ontario and at the age of 4 became friends with a boy on the next street, and they are still good friends 30 years on.  Both their fathers came from the same area in Quebec and it turned out, unbeknownst to me, they shared great-great grandparents there (and my ex taught his older sisters).  My mother-in-law mentioned it and when I told the boys when they were a bit older, they didn't find it fascinating, but rather a bit weird!