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Born and married the same year?
« on: Wednesday 11 November 20 17:34 GMT (UK) »
I have been looking for the birth reference of John Asplin. Here's what I have so far

1911 Walter Thomas Asplin marries Ethel Humberstone [NZ marriages index]
25 October 1913 John Asplin born [NZ deaths index]
1937 John, son of Mr and Mrs W T Asplin, becomes engaged to Edith Archer [New Zealand Herald]
1938 John, son of Walter Thomas and Ethel Mary Asplin, born [NZ births index]
23 April 1938 John Asplin and Edith Archer marry [NZ marriages index]
1994 John Asplin dies [NZ deaths index]
7 June 1994 John Asplin, aged 80, interred in Hamilton [Hamilton burials index] 

Births of other children to Walter Thomas and Ethel Mary Asplin were registered in 1911, 1915, 1917 and 1919.

My questions are: why does his birth seem to have been registered the same year he was married? Was this sort of thing common?

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Re: Born and married the same year?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 18:10 GMT (UK) »
Have just found another similar case

1908 Jonathan Binny marries Amy Francis Steer [NZ marriages index]
1906/7 Frances May Binny, daughter of Jonathan and Amy Francis Binny, born [age in NZ deaths index]
David William, son of Jonathan and Amy Francis Binny, born [NZ births index]
1926 Birth of Frances May, daughter of Jonathan and Amy Francis Binny [NZ births index]
1928 Frances May Binny marries Edward Fearnley Millner Hall [NZ marriages index]
1949 Death of Frances May Hall, aged 42 [NZ deaths index]


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Re: Born and married the same year?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Forfarian,

Not the expert on this, but I have seen posts on here, when the birth was registered years later, usually it was when a person needed a passport or applying for the pension, or needed to have the birth certificate for proof.

I have one in NZ, where the birth was registered five years later, all because they lived out in the bush and didn't get to town for five years.

I stand to be corrected by others about this?

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Re: Born and married the same year?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 18:38 GMT (UK) »
No idea Forfarian.

 I know some churches insisted on baptism prior to marriage if it hasn’t been done, so perhaps then they discovered his reg had been missed.  Was the mother dangerously ill and in the flurry everyone forgot?  It does seem odd the others were done at the right time.

Drilling down shows he was born in 1913.


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Re: Born and married the same year?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 19:04 GMT (UK) »
All I can think of, is that the persons could have registered the birth themselves when they needed the cert  for another reason as mentioned above, e.g. marriage.


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Re: Born and married the same year?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, everyone.

Drilling down shows he was born in 1913.
How would I 'drill down'?
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Re: Born and married the same year?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 19:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, everyone.

Drilling down shows he was born in 1913.
How would I 'drill down'?


In the date fields on the index put 01/01/1913 to 01/01/1914
Then put 01/01/1913 to 01/07/1913. If it vanishes then you know it was a birth in the last half of the year and v.v.
Keep narrowing down the date range until you get to THE Day.

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Re: Born and married the same year?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 19:50 GMT (UK) »
From our 'Resources Page' here is a full explanation of how to find the exact date for an historical birth, death and marriage:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745785.msg4337810#msg4337810


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Born and married the same year?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 11 November 20 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Ah! Thank you :)

Is there any way of working out from the index where an event was registered?
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