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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #9 on: Friday 13 November 20 01:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Mary Ann Nunn, states she was born Old Ford abt 1880 so you need to follow her backwards in the census.  In 1881 Census she is with Parents William and Mary Nunn at 64 Armagh Rd  Parish of Bow RG11/489
Piece:   489
Folio:   142

William Nunn born abt 1844 Leytonstone, Essex
 Mary born abt 1849 Clerkenwell


1891 they are at 38 Bradwell Street, MIle Ford Old Town
RG12/307
Piece:   307
Folio:   27
In this Census  Mary Ann’s age has been transcribed as 4, when it is infact 11.

Place of birth keep changing, may be better to trace their children, starting with their births

I don't think this is the correct family as they still have Mary (aged 21) with them in 1901. Also, William is a printers joiner (as on Selina and Elizabeth's marriages too), but on Mary Ann 's marriage to William EMMINS, she says her father is a labourer.   :-\

In case you don't have it Jan Bee - 19 Nov 1899, William Richard EMMINS (21, labourer) married Mary Ann NUNN (20) at St Mark's, Bow, both residing at 69 Monier Rd. His father William Richard EMMINS, labourer. Her father William NUNN, labourer. Witnesses: Amelia LONG and Charles EMMINS.

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #10 on: Friday 13 November 20 03:30 GMT (UK) »
Tricky ...

Another possibility:
In Hackney 1891:
William NUNN     45      Old Ford  (watchman)
Mary A                 38      Seven Dials
John W                16      Bethnal Green  (glass blower)
Jane                     12     Bethnal Green
Mary A                  9      Old Ford
Rose S                 6      Hackney
Thomas W            1      Hackney
RG12/207 pg70

and in 1881 at Tower Hamlets:
William NUNN    34     Bow  (night watchman)
Mary                   33     Bow
George                 9     Bow
Amelia                 6      Bethnal Green
John                    3      Bethnal Green
Jane                    1      Bethnal Green
RG11/492 pg7

Though I realise William is not a "labourer" here either.  :-\
Hard to work out the mother's maiden name from these children, possibly MILLS? William Alfred NUNN married Mary Ann MILLS 17 July 1871 at St James the great, Bethnal Green, however this William was a plasterer.

Like you said - too many Williams and Marys!

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #11 on: Friday 13 November 20 06:48 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.

The family in 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX5-T74

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #12 on: Friday 13 November 20 06:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Mary Ann Nunn, states she was born Old Ford abt 1880 so you need to follow her backwards in the census.  In 1881 Census she is with Parents William and Mary Nunn at 64 Armagh Rd  Parish of Bow RG11/489
Piece:   489
Folio:   142

William Nunn born abt 1844 Leytonstone, Essex
 Mary born abt 1849 Clerkenwell


1891 they are at 38 Bradwell Street, MIle Ford Old Town
RG12/307
Piece:   307
Folio:   27
In this Census  Mary Ann’s age has been transcribed as 4, when it is infact 11.

Place of birth keep changing, may be better to trace their children, starting with their births

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-5R3S

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QM46-3T2

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWPH-QGN

Try as I might, I have had no luck finding corresponding births with the same mmn.  :-\

I think this is Jane’s birth:

NUNN, JANE  ELIZABETH mmn HUMBERSTONE 
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN  Volume 01C  Page 179

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #13 on: Friday 13 November 20 08:17 GMT (UK) »
If this is William's birth record

EMMINS, WILLIAM  RICHARD     CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in POPLAR  Volume 01C  Page 655

There is this on the CWGC website
PRIVATE
WILLIAM RICHARD EMMINS
Service Number: 19762
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Essex Regiment
9th Bn.
Date of Death
Died 11 August 1916
Buried or commemorated at
THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Pier and Face 10 D.
France

If this is correct then William did indeed die in 1916.

Dec 1877 Poplar 1c 1331
EMMINS William Richard
CHAPMAN Harriet

Deaths:

EMMINS, WILLIAM  RICHARD  74 
GRO Reference: 1931  M Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 31

EMMINS, HARRIET  85 
GRO Reference: 1946  M Quarter in ESSEX SOUTH-WESTERN  Volume 04A  Page 230

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-RZXG

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QWJC-GZM
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QWNV-WW2

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9NW-ZJM

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX5-BGB

EMMINS, WILLIAM  RICHARD mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in POPLAR  Volume 01C  Page 655

EMMINS, CHARLES mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1880  M Quarter in POPLAR  Volume 01C  Page 641
Marriage:
Sep 1913 W.Ham 4a 769
EMMINS Charles
EASTABROOK Caroline
Deaths:
Sep 1957  E.Ham 5a 15
EMMINS Charles 77
Jun 1960 E.Ham 5a 15
EMMINS Caroline 66
Children:
EMMINS, CHARLES  THOMAS mmn EASTABROOK 
GRO Reference: 1914  M Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 40
EMMINS, WILLIAM  RICHARD mmn EASTABROOK 
GRO Reference: 1919  J Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 376

EMMINS, HARRIET  SARAH mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1881  D Quarter in POPLAR  Volume 01C  Page 611
Marriage:
Jun 1904 W. Ham 4a 473
RADDEN John Edward
EMMINS Harriet Sarah
Deaths:
RADDEN, JOHN  EDWARD 73 
GRO Reference: 1955  J Quarter in ESSEX SOUTH WESTERN  Volume 05A  Page 182
RADDEN, HARRIET S 78
1959 D Quarter in W.HAM 5a 565
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX5-TGK
Children:
RADDEN, HARRIET  REBECCA mmn EMMINO 
GRO Reference: 1905  M Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 26
RADDEN, ADA  ELLEN mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 34

EMMINS, EDITH mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1883  D Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 603
Marriage:
Dec 1906 West Ham 4a 523
UNDERWOOD James
EMMINS Edith
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW8Y-QG4
Children:
UNDERWOOD, JAMES  HENRY mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1907  M Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 14
UNDERWOOD, HENRY  EDWARD mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1908  M Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 43
UNDERWOOD, GEORGE  JAMES mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1910  D Quarter in KINGSTON  Volume 02A  Page 390
UNDERWOOD, EDITH  ROSE mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1912  D Quarter in KINGSTON  Volume 02A  Page 772
UNDERWOOD, WILLIAM  CHARLES mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1915  M Quarter in KINGSTON  Volume 02A  Page 782
UNDERWOOD, LILY  MAY mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1919  J Quarter in KINGSTON  Volume 02A  Page 518
UNDERWOOD, JAMES mmn EMMINS
1921 S Quarter in KINGSTON 2a 746
UNDERWOOD, DOROTHY V mmn EMMINS
1923 S Quarter in KINGSTON 2a 709
UNDERWOOD, FREDERICK R mmn EMMINS
1926 J Quarter in KINGSTON 2a 709

EMMINS, LYDIA mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 609
Marriage:
Jun 1906 W. Ham 4a 623
HOY Ernest
EMMINS Lydia
Child:
HOY, LYDIA  HARRIET ANNIE    EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 14  Occasional Copy: A
Death:
HOY, LYDIA  HARRIET ANNIE    0 
GRO Reference: 1907  M Quarter in WHITECHAPEL  Volume 01C  Page 219

EMMINS, ADA mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 609
Marriage:
Jun 1907 W.Ham 4a 445
SHIPPEY Charles
EMMINS Ada
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX1-95C
Children:
SHIPPEY, CHARLES mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1907  S Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 13
SHIPPEY, CORNELIUS  JAMES mmn EMMINS died Mar 1911
GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 41
SHIPPEY, JOHN  HENRY mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1911  S Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 167
SHIPPEY, WALTER  BERT mmn EMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1914  M Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 25
Death:
SHIPPEY, WALTER  BERT  1913 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q3/2006 in Swansea  (8971B)  Reg B165  Entry Number 100

EMMINS, JAMES mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1890  S Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 584

EMMINS, ALBERT  VICTOR mmn CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1893  D Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 584
Marriage:
Mar 1916 W.Ham 4a 648
EMMINS Albert V
STERLING Charlotte A
Death:
Mar 1959 Poplar 5d 367
EMMINS Albert V  65
Child:
EMMINS, ALBERT  VICTOR mmn STERLING 
GRO Reference: 1916  J Quarter in POPLAR  Volume 01C  Page 822
Death:
EMMINS, ALBERT  VICTOR  1916 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q1/1990 in WORKSOP  (6911)  Volume 8  Page 1512

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 14 November 20 03:19 GMT (UK) »
According to Mary Ann's WWI Pension Record Card, her date of birth is 20 Sep 1881. There are a few possibilities for a birth registration, the most likely is:

Mary Ann NUNN   Dec qtr 1881   Poplar (1c/608)  mmn TYSON

Other children with this mmn:
Jane Elizabeth  sep qtr 1878  Bethnal Green
Harriet  Sep qtr 1887  Hackney
Thomas William   Mar qtr 1890  Hackney

I think these sort of fit with the census details I posted in #10

William NUNN and Mary Hannah TYSON on same marriage registration page Jun qtr 1877  Bethnal Green  :)

Jan-Bee, if you want to be sure I'd be inclined to purchase the birth certificate for Mary Ann to see if the date of birth matches that on the Pension Card.

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 14 November 20 03:29 GMT (UK) »
William NUNN (full age, widower, labourer) married Mary Hannah TYSON 2 April 1877 (full age, spinster) at St James the great, Bethnal Green.  His father, George NUNN (spinner), her's William TYSON (deceased). Witnesses: John DAVIS and Ann WILLIAMS.

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 14 November 20 03:51 GMT (UK) »
The births I can see for NUNN and mmn MILLS around the right time in the right area:

William Alfred  Jun qtr 1872  Bethnal Green  (possibly died Jun qtr 1872, Bethnal Green)
Elizabeth Ann   Sep qtr 1873   Bethnal Green  (possibly died Dec qtr 1873 Hackney)
Rebecca Amelia  Sep qtr 1874  Bethnal Green
James William Henry  Jun qtr 1877  Bethnal Green

These are not necessarily all part of the same family.

There is this possibility for death of William's first wife Mary:
Mary Ann NUNN Mar qtr 1875  Poplar aged 44  :-\

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Re: Emmins/Nunn East London
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 14 November 20 04:08 GMT (UK) »
There is a Victoria Park Cemetery, Hackney burial for William Alfred NUNN aged 3 weeks 17 Jun 1872. the address looks similar to the baptism of Elizabeth below -

Elizabeth Annie bap 6 July 1873 (b 6 Jun 1873) parents William Alfred (plasterer) and Mary Ann at St Jude, Bethnal Green

Rebecca Amelia bap 13 Sep 1874 (b 16 aug 1874) parents William (plasterer) and Mary Ann at St Jude, Bethnal Green

Can't see a baptism for James William Henry NUNN, however there is a marriage 28 April 1910 (to Elizabeth Beatrice EVANS) which has his father: William NUNN, plasterer.