Looking for John William ROBSON, North East England

[Montycat]

Hello
I would be extremely grateful for some fresh eyes to look at this, please.

I am looking for a John William Robson born 1868/9 in Sunderland, Durham. 

I have John William Robson on the 1871 census at 13 Normandy Street, Sunderland with his father, John Adamson Robson, sailmaker, his mother Mary Walker Robson and his older sisters, Ann and Jane. 

The 1881 census shows Mary Walker Robson widowed and living with her widowed son-in-law Dixon Robson at 7 Chester Oval in Sunderland, along with Ann, Jane and John William.
In the 1891 census, John William Robson is 22 years old, a colliery clerk, and living at 2 Park Villa, Heaton with his mother, Mary Walker Robson and his sister Annie, along with a boarder named Andrew Robson.

The 1901 census shows John William Robson aged 32 (this time it says he was born in Hartlepool), still a colliery clerk and living at 32 King John Terrace in Heaton with his wife, Jessie Elizabeth Best, aged 30, born in Gateshead (b. 21 June 1870? d. 24 July 1940?). They have a son, Douglas, aged 1 and a boarder, Thomas Hare, a librarian/scripture reader from Frome.

All of this ties in with handwritten family trees created by other members of the family.

Family legend has it that there was a falling-out between John William Robson and his wife, Jessie Elizabeth, regarding the possibility of his sister-in-law moving in to live with them, with John issuing the ultimatum, “It’s either her or me!”. 

The next census, in 1911, shows Jessie Elizabeth Robson living with Mary Fenwick, her sister, at 42 Ninth Avenue in Heaton.  Living with them are Jessie’s children, Douglas, Edith, Doris and John and boarders, Mr and Mrs Oakes.

Jessie is listed as Married and their youngest child is 2 years old, but I cannot find John William Robson anywhere.  John William was apparently never heard of again.

As his name is fairly common in the North East, I have found several people of the same name, but none I can confidently pin down.

I feel I am going around in circles and getting rather dizzy!  I would be really grateful for some help.

Many, many thanks for any pointers.

[sgf28]

 Will briefly summarise as it's a long report:

Newcastle Evening Chronicle 11 April 1913

Headlines: Children neglected in Newcastle - Blaydon fishmonger sent to prison - A Shocking Case

John William Robson,44, described as a fishmonger from Blaydon summoned on a charge of neglecting his children, he pleaded not guilty.

Defendent at one time was a cashier at a colliery but had gone down a scale until he was now a fried fish monger, cohabiting with a widow who owned a fish shop. The defendant had left his family five years earlier and had not even seen his youngest child. He was failing to pay maintenance to his family.

Jessie Elizabeth Robson of Ninth Avenue Heaton, said she had married the defendant 18 years ago and had five children, four of whom were under 16. defendant had left her five years before to go and live with the widow but had been seeing the widow for two years prior to him leaving. The defendant had had three children with the widow.

The report says it was a daily occurence that he was drunk, he took money from the business to achieve this.

He was sentenced to three months with hard labour and ordered to pay for his wife and family when he came out of prison.

[rosie99]

That is a very good find sgf28 

Could this be them in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCL-DH8

[rosie99]

ROBSON, DOROTHY  ANNIE     mmn MCGARR 
GRO Reference: 1910  June Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 1177

Marriage Dec qtr 1895   
Dalkin    Matthew           
McGarr    Mary Elizabeth       
Newcastle T.    10b   192

Deaths Mar 1904   
DALKIN    Matthew    age33    Newcastle T.    10b   2

When did Jessie die 

Marriage June qtr 1943    
Dalkin    Mary E   
Robson    John W    (spouse Dalkin)
Nthmbld. S.    10b   639   

[Montycat]

Wow!  I cannot believe you have found that for us!  How very sad and how awful for them! 

I'm glad Jessie had the support of her sister.

I really cannot thank you enough for this sgf28 and rosie99! 

I have an elderly relative who has been wondering about this for most of their life, so this is priceless.  I cannot go into details, but it will explain a lot for them.

Thank you so, so much.

Rosie99, I think Jessie died in 1940 (24th July?)?  I can't find a reference in my papers, so I might have just got that from a relatives handwritten family tree.

Thank you so much.

[JenB]

Hint.....

In the 1939 register look at the entry for Ethel Hetherington in Newcastle upon Tyne

[JenB]

I am looking for a John William Robson born 1868/9 in Sunderland, Durham. 

He actually appears to have been born in Hartlepool (as in 1901 & 1911 censuses).

3rd q 1868, Hartlepool 10a, 143, John William Robson, mother’s maiden surname Douglas.

ROBSON, DOROTHY  ANNIE     mmn MCGARR 
GRO Reference: 1910  June Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 1177

Another child: 3rd q 1908, Gateshead 10a, 1163, Harold Robson, mmn McGarr

This might be him at the Isolation Hospital at Winlaton https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCG-MRS

[BushInn1746]

Hello
I would be extremely grateful for some fresh eyes to look at this, please.

I am looking for a John William Robson born 1868/9 in Sunderland, Durham. 

I have John William Robson on the 1871 census at 13 Normandy Street, Sunderland with his father, John Adamson Robson, sailmaker, his mother Mary Walker Robson and his older sisters, Ann and Jane. 
 ...
All of this ties in with handwritten family trees created by other members of the family.
 ...

Further to Jen

The Poster has two families mixed up here.

There are 28 John William ROBSONs Births 1866 to 1870 (GRO Index).

According to the names in the 1871 Census (not seen) but given by the Poster it looks as though that Census Marriage might be:-
John Adamson Robson
Mary Walker Douglass
District Sunderland 1854

John William Robson born Sunderland 1867 was Mother Maiden Surname Craggs.

The one born Hartlepool 1868 was Mother M. S. Douglas.

I would recommend the original poster should recheck and work the Family Tree backward from a more recent known confirmed relation, rather that just pick any person of the right name blind in a Census, from a name and approximate Birth year and place.

Mark

[JenB]

Further to Jen

The Poster has two families mixed up here.

There are numerous circa 28 John William ROBSONs born 1866 to 1870.

According to the names in the 1871 Census (not seen) but given by the Poster it looks as though that Census Marriage might be:-
John Adamson Robson
Mary Walker Douglass
District Sunderland 1854

John William Robson born Sunderland 1867 was Mother Maiden Surname Craggs.

The one born Hartlepool 1868 was Mother M. S. Douglas.

I would recommend the original poster should recheck and work the Family Tree backward from a more recent known confirmed relation, rather that just pick any person of the right name blind in a Census, from a name and approximate Birth year and place.

You are very patronising!

I would recommend that you discover how the poster has reached the conclusion he has without stating baldly that they have 'picked any person of the right name blind in a census'.

John William Robson born Sunderland 1867 was Mother Maiden Surname Craggs.

I can't see anywhere in this thread where this birth has been mentioned.