Author Topic: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family  (Read 4677 times)

Offline annby

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 47
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 22 November 20 22:40 GMT (UK) »
Just checked Sarah’s 1874 death certificate. It has her as 50 implying a 1824 birth. But the 1815 Glasgow baptism is convincing, with parents’ names matching her death certificate. So maybe Sarah lied/was unsure about her age?
Think that strengthens the case for Alexander’s Morvern baptism record though it’s not 100%.
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

Offline annby

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 47
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 22 November 20 22:49 GMT (UK) »
There’s minimal info on their
1842 marriage record. Alexander McIntyre Aulisten [which was helpful in pinning him down in the 1841/52 censuses] and Sarah McPherson and the date.
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

Offline annby

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 47
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 22 November 20 22:52 GMT (UK) »
Just checked Sarah’s 1874 death certificate. It has her as 50 implying a 1824 birth. But the 1815 Glasgow baptism is convincing, with parents’ names matching her death certificate. So maybe Sarah lied/was unsure about her age?
Think that strengthens the case for Alexander’s Morvern baptism record though it’s not 100%.

Unless the 1815 record was for a sister who died?
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

Offline Neale1961

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,666
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #48 on: Monday 23 November 20 03:26 GMT (UK) »
 There is no other Alexander McIntyre of a similar age born in Morven in any census record that I can find.
I think the evidence is becoming stronger that the birth record for Alexander in 1815 Morven is the correct one, even though ages and dates don’t line up well. Have you downloaded this record, and does it give any more than just names? - place, fathers occupation? I am also wondering if he might have been baptised as a young child rather than at birth.

In the absence of a death certificate, I would suggest searching the local papers to see if there is any mention of him.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


Online Forfarian

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 15,089
  • http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ruz/
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #49 on: Monday 23 November 20 09:04 GMT (UK) »
There is an 81-year-old Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern, in Alloa in 1901. He's 74 in 1891, 62 in 1881, 53 in 1871, 44 in 1861 and 34 in 1851. So he was born in Morvern between 1816 and 1820, but he's obviously not yours as he had settled in Clackmannanshire by 1851.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

Offline annby

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 47
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #50 on: Monday 23 November 20 09:16 GMT (UK) »
There is an 81-year-old Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern, in Alloa in 1901. He's 74 in 1891, 62 in 1881, 53 in 1871, 44 in 1861 and 34 in 1851. So he was born in Morvern between 1816 and 1820, but he's obviously not yours as he had settled in Clackmannanshire by 1851.
So the question is whether he’s the 1815 baptism - ruling it out for my Alexander - or this 1820 baptism, leaving the 1815 in play. MACINTYRE ALEXANDER
PETER MACINTYRE/CATHERINE SMITH
8/02/1820
528/20 3
Morvern
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

Offline Rosinish

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,239
  • PASSED & PAST
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #51 on: Monday 23 November 20 11:06 GMT (UK) »
His DC would hopefully confirm parents...

1911 - MCINTYRE ALEXANDER 92 - 465/A 114 Alloa (Clackmannan)

Looks like the above aged 94 yrs on census...

1911 - MCINTYRE ALEXANDER - 94 - 465/A 10/ 21 Alloa Clackmannan

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

Offline annby

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 47
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #52 on: Monday 23 November 20 11:41 GMT (UK) »
His DC would hopefully confirm parents...

1911 - MCINTYRE ALEXANDER 92 - 465/A 114 Alloa (Clackmannan)

Looks like the above aged 94 yrs on census...

1911 - MCINTYRE ALEXANDER - 94 - 465/A 10/ 21 Alloa Clackmannan

Annie

Sadly no parents are given on Alloa Alexander's death certificate, but we can probably rule him out as he's given as the widower of Janet Stewart and I can't see an entry for a late marriage. There is a record of a marriage between an Alexander McIntyre and Janet Stewart in Aberfoyle/Kilmadock in November 1841. So the evidence suggests that Alloa Alexander, born in Morvern, is the 1820 baptism record.
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan

Offline annby

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 47
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Alexander McIntyre, born Morvern 1815, and family
« Reply #53 on: Monday 23 November 20 12:24 GMT (UK) »
There is no other Alexander McIntyre of a similar age born in Morven in any census record that I can find.
I think the evidence is becoming stronger that the birth record for Alexander in 1815 Morven is the correct one, even though ages and dates don’t line up well. Have you downloaded this record, and does it give any more than just names? - place, fathers occupation? I am also wondering if he might have been baptised as a young child rather than at birth.

In the absence of a death certificate, I would suggest searching the local papers to see if there is any mention of him.

Nothing significant to be gleaned from the baptism records of Alexander or the other two children born to Donald McIntyre and Isobel Macinnis.
Alexander 1815 - Donald is a residenter [think this means living and working at?] Munga[sdail?], which is on the neighbouring estate to Aulisten, just down the Morvern coast
Donald 1817 - as above
Peggy 1825 - he's a crofter at Kyle, which I think will be Keil, part of the Lochaline Estate and again just along the Morvern coast

Agree I need to look at other sources, including newspapers and probably Flora's Inveraray Jail records. She was there often enough!
Perthshire: Cram, Kirk, Cairns, Monteath
Edinburgh: Baillie
Morvern and Isle of Mull, Argyllshire: McIntyre, McGregor
Uist, Invernessshire: McPherson
Inverness: Davidson
Aberdeenshire/Banffshire: Thain
Ireland: Foley, O'Sullivan