William George PEARSE How do I prove it's the correct marriage and baptism?

[nicdigby]

Hi, I would love some help please proving what I think I have traced for my 3GF.

I knew from his son's marriage record that we are looking for William George Pearse (his son was Frederick and was baptised in St Pancras 10 Jun 1887). The mother's name on there for the child's baptism is Catherine but I don't know her maiden name yet.

I have found the marriage of William George Pearse on freebmd: Dec 1865 in St Geo Han Square (which is Pimlico, London).  But it doesn't have the spouse name on there and I can't find the marriage cert online - can anyone find it please as it would help I think? I'm still not great at this stuff!

Ancestry search for the birth comes up with various options.... but the only London one where the marriage date of 1865 would then work is the following:

William George Pearse baptised 24 Jan 1847 at Hampstead St John, Camden, London. Father: JOhn Pearse (labourer), mother: Eliza. And a note on the baptism stating "born Dec 21 1846".

I think this is the most likely - but what I don't know how to do it is to prove it is the correct one....can anyone help please?

[jonw65]

Possible birth?
PEARSE, FREDERICK       
Mother's Maiden Surname: STAINSBY 
GRO Reference: 1885  D Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 16

Potential marriage in Marylebone in 1879?
William Pearse + Catherine Stainsby

[jonw65]

21 Sep 1879, St. Marylebone
William Pearse, full age, Cabinet Maker, father Edmund Pearse (deceased), Licensed Victualler
+
Catherine Stainsby, minor, father William Stainsby, House Decorator

[nicdigby]

Thanks Jon, that is great.
1) Where did you find the info pls? (I would like to try to search for it myself to see if I can find it as this will help me to know how to do it)
2) where she is described as a minor, does this mean under 21? Under 18?

[amondg]

William George Pearse baptized 22 February 1857 St Mary Magdalen St Pancras, parents Edmund and Jane Pearse.

registered St Pancras 1857 mothers maiden name Withers.

Edmund wasn't yet married to Jane Starr nee Withers they married 25 July 1859 Battersea both were widowed.

Edmund married a lot still trying to sort them out.

Ref: ancestry

ADDED
minor meant under age 21, images of the marriage are on ancestry

[carol8353]

I have found the marriage of William George Pearse on freebmd: Dec 1865 in St Geo Han Square (which is Pimlico, London).  But it doesn't have the spouse name on there and I can't find the marriage cert online - can anyone find it please as it would help I think? I'm still not great at this stuff!

Tip for future reference.

If you click on the blue number 513 on FreeBMD you will get the names of all those on that same page.So you know he either married Mary Ann or Emma, then try and find them together in the next census (1871) hopefully you will find which lady he married.

Marriages Dec 1865
Luckham    Mary Ann        St George Han.Sq    1a   513    
Mitchell    William        St Geo Han Sq    1a   513    
Pearse    William George        St Geo Han Sq    1a   513    
Welsman    Emma        St Geo Han Sq    1a   513   

[jonw65]

Thanks Jon, that is great.
1) Where did you find the info pls? (I would like to try to search for it myself to see if I can find it as this will help me to know how to do it)
2) where she is described as a minor, does this mean under 21? Under 18?

The marriage is on ancestry in London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932.
Birth of Frederick from the new GRO index.

[nicdigby]

Thank you for your help with this so far. I have just signed back in and gone thru the info, for which I am grateful.

So I have two possible marriage dates:

One in 1865 to either Mary Ann Luckham or Emma Welsman.
Or one in 1879 to Catherine Stainsby.

Am I correct to think it must be the latter, because when his child Frederick was baptised, the mother's maiden name was Catherine?

Or do you think he married more than once?

Am very confused and can't work my way through it.

[amondg]

When he married Catherine his father is Edmund.
The William George son of Edmund was born 1857 therefore he was too young to marry in 1865.
His son Frederick from the GRO index has mother's maiden name of Stainsby. The father name on the marriage is vital  to tracing the family line.