William George PEARSE How do I prove it's the correct marriage and baptism?

[nicdigby]

When he married Catherine his father is Edmund.
The William George son of Edmund was born 1857 therefore he was too young to marry in 1865.
His son Frederick from the GRO index has mother's maiden name of Stainsby. The father name on the marriage is vital  to tracing the family line.

Thank you for explaining this, it seems so simple now you have done so but I couldn't see it before!

[nicdigby]

Further to this, I am looking to accurately record the children from the marriage of William George Pearse to Catherine Stainsby.

I still can't find any births to the pair at all on freebmd. But I have the census records and the 1911 states they had ten children and only four survived in 1911.

How do I find the names of the others? I have got seven of them. I would be happy to flick through the St mary Magdalene parish records to see if ten were baptised there as it seems to have been the family church; how do I do find out if they're online please? ( I need an idiot's guide to doing this, I just tried in Ancestry and FindMyPast and don't know how to do it).

Thanks

[nicdigby]

I think I have 9 out of the ten from GRO now - can anyone find the 10th pls?

Florence 1881 (died as she doesn't appear on future census records)
William George 1882
Frederick 1885 (my GGF)
James 1888 (survived to at least 24 as he's on the 1911 census)
Gretchen 1889 (think she died)
Catherine 1891 (died because there is another Catherine later)
Herbert 1893
Catherine Elsie 1899
Jane Doris 1901 born in Fulham - makes sense as one of her parents died in Fulham

That's 9. Any ideas how I find number 10?

[jonw65]

I can't see any more 
There is a slight gap there in the 1890's. But it's not unheard of for there to be a "missing" child based on the numbers the parents give in the 1911 census.
We have hunted high and low before!
Could they have miscounted, or mistakenly included a still born child in their figures?

[nicdigby]

I can't see any more 
There is a slight gap there in the 1890's. But it's not unheard of for there to be a "missing" child based on the numbers the parents give in the 1911 census.
We have hunted high and low before!
Could they have miscounted, or mistakenly included a still born child in their figures?

Quite possibly. I guess we will never know. Definitely says 10 children born alive; 6 died and 4 alive on the 1911 census. There is a gap 1882-1885 so perhaps there was a child born then.

I'm grateful for your help on this one.

[amondg]

Probably a still born child as Catherine was having children on schedule every 2 years except
between 1893 Herbert at St Pancras and 1899 Catherine Elsie in Fulham.


Catherine 1891 registered Marylebone death registered Pancras 1893 age 2

Gretchen 1889 St Pancras death recorded Pancras 1890 age 1

[amondg]

Jane Doris birth 1901 death registered 1901 both registered Fulham.

[nicdigby]

Jane Doris birth 1901 death registered 1901 both registered Fulham.

Thank you for these.

I think Florence b 1881 must have died as she disappaeared off the census records.

Looking for death of Herbert 1893 as well.

I know Fred survived. James is on the 1911 census aged 24. Not sure about William George b 1882. Not sure about Catherine Elsie b 1899. But we know only four survived.

[nicdigby]

William George Pearse baptized 22 February 1857 St Mary Magdalen St Pancras, parents Edmund and Jane Pearse.

registered St Pancras 1857 mothers maiden name Withers.

Edmund wasn't yet married to Jane Starr nee Withers they married 25 July 1859 Battersea both were widowed.

Edmund married a lot still trying to sort them out.

Ref: ancestry

ADDED
minor meant under age 21, images of the marriage are on ancestry

I've been having a look at Edmund and I see what you mean; he really liked marrying!

Other Ancestry trees have three marriages but I've found the first marriage cert and it states he's a widow. But I cannot find a previous marriage - can anyone help please?

I have looked on freebmd, freereg, FindMyPast and Ancestry but I am still working out to do parish record searches.

Here is what I have:

Edmund Pearse born abt 1816, Hitchin (not verified)

27 Jul 1839 he married Mary Ann HOCKADAY