Hornsbury/Ship/Reeves - Brighton 1861 census

[Pheno]

There's a death of a 49 year old William Reeves in the Brighton RD for Q2 1850 with a burial entry for William Reeves of Orange Street on 17 Sep 1850.  This would explain the marriage date of 1852 for William Hornsbury and Mary Reeves if she was not free to marry earlier.  However, death registered  30 June at latest for this quarter doesn't really correspond with a burial in September.

Also found a burial for an infant William Reeves on 19 Sep 1852, of Bread Street, Brighton.

None of this really ties up as she was married by Sep 1852 so he would presumably have the surname Hornsbury.

Had a thought that maybe the infant William was born before she married and then presumably would have had to be registered with her name of Reeves.

There is a birth registration of William Reeves in Q1 Brighton in 1852.  Mmn according to gro for this person is Sanders so I am going to try this now.

Am I going in the right direction do you think?

Pheno

[jonw65]

Hi
That looks like the death/burial of Mary's husband, William Reeves.
Family in Orange Row in 1851 (Recard on ancestry!)
Mary was 50 though, so I don't think she would have had any children for a few years. John the youngest is 8.
If you can find marriages for her other children with William Reeves, there could be more of them about!
John

[Pheno]

Am still in a tangle with this.

With your help I have progressed a bit and confirmed that William Winterman Hornsbury married firstly Mary Johnson Ship on 9 May 1831 and thereafter Mary Reeves (née Wells) in 1852 in Brighton.

No apparent children from marriage to Mary Reeves but 3 from first marriage to Mary Ship: Emma Eliza 1831, William 1834 & James 1840 (he was registered in Dover with mmn Ship) which is feasible as William's father James Holloway Goodwin - that's another story as to how they became Hornsberry's - hailed from Dover so am happy with that.

I have also found the baptism of a Sarah Hornsbury on 9 April 1847 at St. Nicholas, Brighton but to a William & Jane Hornsberry.  Who was Jane?  Another wife?

I am assuming that William was at sea for both the 1841 & 1851 censuses and on that naval merchant seaman record he states that his home address was Air Street, Brighton when on shore.  Several members of the Hollingsbury family lived in Air Street and in 1851 there are 2 grandchildren living with William's parents whom I had not yet attached to anyone as children.  Rather conveniently their names are William & James, one born Dover, so think the fact that they are there confirms William's absence at sea.

However the 2 girls Emma Eliza (Emma was Mary Ship's mother's name so am happy that she is a child although she seems to be known as Eliza rather than Emma) and Sarah seem a bit interchangeable.

I can't find anything definite going forward for Emma Eliza.  There is a marriage for Sarah Hornsbury in 1869 to James Harman, as found by Jon.  However there is a  marriage for a widowed Eliza Harman (father William Hornsbury fisherman Deceased) on 29 July 1873 to a James Jasper.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6DSQ-GX7

So who is Eliza Harman?  Should be Eliza Hornsbury or Sarah Harman.

Any assistance on figuring this out would be gratefully received thanks.

Pheno

[jonw65]

Hi
First marriage of Eliza (Hornsberry) to William Harman, 25 May 1851, Brighton
She is 20, father William Hornsberry, Labourer
Witnessed by William Hornsberry X
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBBS-HHR?i=246

Address looks like Wykeham Terrace, and in the 1851 census there is an Eliza Hollingsberry at number 11, age 20, born Brighton, a servant.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8S-Z5B

So on the face of it she could be the Emma Eliza Hornsbury baptized at Brighton, 18 Sep 1831.
John

[jonw65]

You've found Sarah, her baptism. Still can't see a birth reg!
For Jane there is a death in Brighton, March 1852, Jane Hollingbery, age 44
And a burial at Brighton, 8 January 1852
Abode Orange Row (where the Reeves were in 1851!)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XHGV-G3

So that could be the death of Sarah's mum. Not seen a possible marriage to William yet, and I guess it would be good to kill off Mary (Ship) as well.
And where are Jane and Sarah in 1851?

[jonw65]

Wow! A rarity!
A Brighton school record from 1818 for a Wm Hollingsberry, age 9
Middle Street School
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBRJ-6T

[Pheno]

Thank you so much John.  Haven't had a chance to look at these in detail yet but I am sure they will all fit.

So it wasn't Mary who delayed the marriage until 1852 it was William.

Much appreciated, Pheno

[Pheno]

Thanks again John, this has certainly padded out my tree.

I can find a marriage of a William Hollingsberry to possibly Jane Elizabeth Nelson on FreeBMD Mar 1843 (so the right time frame) but registered in Marylebone.  What would a fisherman be doing there?  Can't find an original of this anywhere, nor can i find it indexed on any other site than FreeBMD.

Anyway you have really helped in sorting this family out, which I will now put to bed for a while.

Thanks, Pheno

PS Have just tripped over the baptism of a Jane Nelson in Marylebone on 6 July 1808 with a birthdate of 5 Feb 1808 to John & Jane Nelson.  I wonder? No he married Rosina Catherine Gordon