Way to find out a child's parents without ordering a birth certificate?

[Girl Guide]

There is a record of a burial for a Frederick William Scott Gatty on 28th April 1887.  Age given as 2 years and address is 49 Wells Place presumably in Camberwell.  The burial ground is stated as being of the parish of St. Giles, Camberwell in the County of Surrey, situate at Forest Hill Road, Peckham Rye.

There are no other family names mentioned in this record which is from Deceased Online.

Is the address one you have come across in your research?

[Girl Guide]

I see from the 1891 census that a Martha Gatty is living at this address.  She is a widow born c1855 and occupation is charwoman, birth place given as Camberwell.

Is this lady the mother of Frederick or a relative?

[Treetotal]

There is this entry from Freebmd:


Marriages Dec 1883 
AYLOTT    Thomas William        St Saviour   1d   191   
EAGLE    Rosetta Louisa        St. Saviour    1d   191   
GATTY    Martha        St Saviour    1d   191   
Page    Robert   St. Saviour    1d   191   

Carol

[BumbleB]

The 1883 marriage has Martha as a spinster, full age, father is George (deceased), Builder.  Groom is Thomas William Aylott, full age, Engineer, father is William (deceased), Engineer.  17 December 1883, St George the Martyr.

[Girl Guide]

There is a Thomas and Martha Aylott in the 1901 census living at 14, Garnies Street, London, Camberwell with five sons.

Martha's birth year is given as 1864

Registration district   Camberwell
Piece number   518
Folio   162
Page   50

[Treetotal]

There is a tree on Ancestry that gives Martha's birthdate as :


Martha Ann Gatty
1863–1919
BIRTH DEC 1863 • Camberwell, London, England
DEATH JAN-FEB-MAR 1919 • Southwark, London, England

Husband is

Thomas William x Aylott
1854–1919
BIRTH 1854 • Hoddesden, herts
DEATH SEP 1919 • Southwark, London, England

They had 7 children between 1887-1906.
Carol

[1931census]

There is this entry from Freebmd:


Marriages Dec 1883 
AYLOTT    Thomas William        St Saviour   1d   191   
EAGLE    Rosetta Louisa        St. Saviour    1d   191   
GATTY    Martha        St Saviour    1d   191   
Page    Robert   St. Saviour    1d   191   

Carol

Hey,

I don't think this Martha Gatty is likely to be relevant, as Frederick was born in late 1884, and therefore Martha would already have been Martha Aylott at that point - but thank you.

[1931census]

I see from the 1891 census that a Martha Gatty is living at this address.  She is a widow born c1855 and occupation is charwoman, birth place given as Camberwell.

Is this lady the mother of Frederick or a relative?

Could you link where you found this census? I haven't been able to find it myself, and it would be very helpful! Thanks.

[Jamjar]

I see from the 1891 census that a Martha Gatty is living at this address.  She is a widow born c1855 and occupation is charwoman, birth place given as Camberwell.

Is this lady the mother of Frederick or a relative?

Could you link where you found this census? I haven't been able to find it myself, and it would be very helpful! Thanks.

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QZVJ-KPZ

Jamjar