1841 Census

[MonicaL]

It is Andrew Haldane and Ann Anderson. The family in 1851:

Andrew Halden 39 coal miner b. Wemyss
Ann Halden 48 b. Largs Fife (Largs is in Ayrshire...likely should be Largo  )
Ann Halden 16 b. Wemyss
Margret Halden 10 b. Wemyss
James Hutton 17 nephew b. Wemyss

Address: S Oakley, Saline

The family in 1841:

Andrew Holden 25 lab
Ann Anderson 35
Ann Halden 5
Margaret Halden 1
Ann Mitchell 80

Address: Cross, Wemyss

Banns/marriage in 1832 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTPT-1HW

Monica

[MonicaL]

Andrew is in Beath area for the 1871 census. I think this is his death reg entry:

ANDREW HALDANE
65
Mother's maiden name ANDERSON
1873
410/ 23
Beath (Fife)

ADDED: We had an Ann Mitchell showing in the household in 1841. Likely Ann's mother going by this potential birth entry: www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYCY-VMQ (you need to be signed in to view on FS).

Monica

[MonicaL]

A little more on this line here https://gw.geneanet.org/etakathyaolco?lang=en&pz=larry+k.&nz=dunn&p=margaret&n=anderson&oc=59

From this, possibility that Andrew's death reg shows mother as Margaret rather than Mary. Errors happen on this type of reporting and it is a pain  Re naming pattern of children's names, I see he and wife Margaret had the following girls:

Ann - after Margaret's mother, Ann Mitchell?
Mary - after Andrew's mother, Mary Anderson?
Margaret - ?

The marriage of James Haldane and Mary Anderson was 1792 wasn't it? www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTPF-BBH Must be missing lots of children for them.

Monica

[Rosinish]

I'm thinking this is may be a wild goose chase (sorry)?

With the lack of any census record in the areas & surrounding areas mentioned, I think this Charles may have been born after the 1841 census?

Annie

[Westee]

Rosinish - never thought of that possibility.  Tks

[Westee]

re:  Andrew's death and his mother being Margaret and father James.  Without a baptism it is very hard to say.

I have had the conundrum of the two marriages for James Haldane.  One to Margaret Anderson 22 January 1791 and then the James Haldane to Mary Anderson a year later, both in Dysart.  I thought that perhaps Margaret died and he married the sister; but I haven't found a death registration for her and then with Andrew saying his mother was Margaret.   And why would James Haldane and Mary Anderson baptize only some of their children and not Andrew?  So I am left wondering still.

[Forfarian]

I have had the conundrum of the two marriages for James Haldane.  One to Margaret Anderson 22 January 1791 and then the James Haldane to Mary Anderson a year later, both in Dysart.  I thought that perhaps Margaret died and he married the sister; but I haven't found a death registration for her and then with Andrew saying his mother was Margaret.   And why would James Haldane and Mary Anderson baptize only some of their children and not Andrew?  So I am left wondering still.

This looks more like poor record-keeping than anything else. Have you looked at the originals of both marriages to see if they shed any light? It's not too difficult to imagine a clerk deciphering 'Marg' as 'Mary' or vice versa, or realising when a child came along for baptism that he hadn't made a record of the marriage at the time, and getting the date wrong.

Also, it may not be a case of the parents not having one or more children baptised. It may be that the baptism took place but was not recorded, or the record has not survived.