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Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« on: Thursday 31 December 20 00:23 GMT (UK) »
Hiya,

Daughters of Benjamin Williams 1862-1934 and Cecilia Thomas 1869-1909.
Trying to discover more information on two of their daughters:
Mary born 1890 and Elizabeth J born 1896       

1911 census New Road Argoed, Monmouthshire
Mary Williams 21 Glamorgan Maerdy
Elizabeth Williams 15 Glamorgan Maerdy

1901 Census 18 Griffith Street Maerdy
Mary Williams 11 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth Williams 5 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales

1891 Census 56 Pentre Street Maerdy
Mary Williams 1 Glamorgan says Maerdy?

From Maerdy Infant School Admission Register:
Elizabeth birthdate 19th Jan 1896

Any help would be most welcome and I thank you in advance.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
Looking for Williams (Merthyr) and (Briton Ferry), as well as Abraham (Abercanaid)and Gerrard (Dorset and London)

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Re: Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 31 December 20 01:49 GMT (UK) »
If you are looking for marriages etc you will need to use freebmd.  You can try using the 1939 register for Elizabeth's with that birthdate
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Re: Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 31 December 20 02:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carolew,
Tried 1939 register:

Elizabeth Williams 1896
Merthyr Tydfil C.B. Glamorganshire Wales
1 Chapel Street, Abercanaid
other person listed Richard Williams

Elizabeth Williams 1896
Rhondda U.D. Glamorganshire Wales
73 Bute Street, Treorchy
other person listed Mary Williams

Elizabeth Williams 1896
Penybont R.D. Glamorganshire Wales
64 High Street, Kenfig Hill
other person listed William Williams and 3 others

Only the location that pops out is Abercanaid as my Grandmother sister's family lived there.
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Paul Williams
Looking for Williams (Merthyr) and (Briton Ferry), as well as Abraham (Abercanaid)and Gerrard (Dorset and London)

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Re: Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 31 December 20 12:09 GMT (UK) »
You are only looking at the index.  You need full access to look for an Elizabeth (no surname) with the full birthdate of 19.1.1896

You appear to be looking for an Elizabeth Williams but if she married - her surname may not be Williams.

When you find any Elizabeth's with that birthdate you need to match the marriage to an Elizabeth Williams (eg)   You find an Elizabeth Bloggs b 19.1.1896 married to Joseph Bloggs.  Look on freebmd to find if she was nee Williams.  If any children are shown on the 1939 entry it's useful to check their births to determine mmn

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Re: Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 31 December 20 14:51 GMT (UK) »
likely marriage for Mary

27 April 1914 parish church of Bedwellty
James Gordon White 24 bach engineman Bryngwyn, Argoed father William White deceased
Mary Williams 24 spinster Ivy dene, Argoes father Benjamin Williams manager
witnesses William Stanley White and Elizabeth Williams
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 31 December 20 15:03 GMT (UK) »
marriage for Elizabeth

25 Oct 1919 parish church of bedwellty
Ernest John Beer 23 bach warehouse man 21 Keppoch pl, Cardiff father William Beer, gardener
Elizabeth Williams 23 spinster ? View, Argoed, father Benjamin Williams mining engineer
witnesses F George White & J G White.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 31 December 20 15:20 GMT (UK) »
death reg for Elizabeth Beer 55 june qtr 1951 Cardiff vol 8b pg 194
death reg for Ernest J Beer march qtr 1974 South Glam vol 28 pg 1983 dob 27 March 1896
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 31 December 20 20:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Osprey,
Many thanks for the information and for the FreeBDM ways to search.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
Looking for Williams (Merthyr) and (Briton Ferry), as well as Abraham (Abercanaid)and Gerrard (Dorset and London)

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Re: Mary Williams born 1890 and Elizabeth J Williams born 1896
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 31 December 20 22:21 GMT (UK) »
marriage for Elizabeth

25 Oct 1919 parish church of bedwellty
Ernest John Beer 23 bach warehouse man 21 Keppoch pl, Cardiff father William Beer, gardener
Elizabeth Williams 23 spinster ? View, Argoed, father Benjamin Williams mining engineer
witnesses F George White & J G White.

Fairly easy to find on 1939 as well