Skibeereen Marriage Cert no father listed for Groom

[shanreagh]

Here is  a possible baptism record for Mary Hallahan Sweeny (from Ancestry)
Name:    Mary Hallahan
Baptism Date:    4 Feb 1840
Baptism Place:    Murragh, Cork, Ireland

Diocese:    Cork and Ross
Father:    Timothy Hallahan
Mother:    Catharine Murphy

This would make her about 24/25 at the time of her marriage and therefore 30/31 at the the time of her death and this tallies better with the age on the death record you posted earlier. 

We're still looking for Cornelius but the death you found may not be untoward as far as age difference

[AlanR83]

I don't think the 1833 birth is relevant to my ancestors, Timothy Halihane was a poor labourer in Skibbereen it makes no sense he would have a child as far away as in Fermoy parish. I did find a baptism record for a Catherine Halihane born to Timothy in Castlehaven in 1842:

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9945cc0123574?b=https%3A%2F%2Fchurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fsearch.jsp%3Fnamefm%3DCatherine%26namel%3DHalihane%26exact%3D%26name2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1840%26yyto%3D1850%26diocese%3DCORK%2520%2526%2520ROSS%2520%2528RC%2529%26parish%3DCASTLEHAVEN%2520%2526%2520MYROSS%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26sort%3Ddate%26pageSize%3D100%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26keyword%3D%26member0%3D%26member1%3D%26member2%3D%26member3%3D%26member4%3D%26member5%3D%26member6%3D%26member7%3D%26member8%3D%26member9%3D%26namef0%3D%26namef1%3D%26namef2%3D%26namef3%3D%26namef4%3D%26namef5%3D%26namef6%3D%26namef7%3D%26namef8%3D%26namef9%3D%26namel0%3D%26namel1%3D%26namel2%3D%26namel3%3D%26namel4%3D%26namel5%3D%26namel6%3D%26namel7%3D%26namel8%3D%26namel9%3D%26event%3D%26submit%3DSearch

and the mother is listed as Burke, which was also the surname of the woman present at Mary Sweeney's death in 1872 - perhaps an Aunt or Cousin of hers

[shanreagh]

I don't think the 1833 birth is relevant to my ancestors, Timothy Halihane was a poor labourer in Skibbereen it makes no sense he would have a child as far away as in Fermoy parish. I did find a baptism record for a Catherine Halihane born to Timothy in Castlehaven in 1842:

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and the mother is listed as Burke, which was also the surname of the woman present at Mary Sweeney's death in 1872 - perhaps an Aunt or Cousin of hers

But if Catherine comes into it is as the mother of Mary Hallahan Sweeney or Mary Ellen's Grandmother or Tim's wife.  Or did you mean as possible sister/sponsor to Mary Snr?

Take your point about Fermoy etc. 

[AlanR83]

I think Catherine may be a sister to Mary Hallihane who married Cornelius Sweeney, so their father is Timothy Halihane, Castlehaven poor labourer and  their mother was Johanna Burke, and when Mary Sweeny died in 1872 an Aunt or cousin on the Burke side was present at the death.

[shanreagh]

Well the Catherine you have found cannot be the Catherine on the 1840 birth certificate as this Catherine was not born until later....1842. 

While Timothy may have been a labourer he had his own house that he rented and did not live in a tenements in the towns as some of his compatriots did.  The impact of and faith in religion was very important to these folk and they would be most unlikely to miss baptising a child etc.  These would have been recorded by the priests and it is what happened to them since (lost, decayed etc) that makes births hard to find not that they missed a baptism etc. 

Anyway back to Cornelius following up on a birth that links to a death in 1885 aged 63 there are quite a few couple on Ancestry!
Cornelius Sweeny

Event Type:    Baptism

Baptism Date:    31 Dec 1820
Baptism Place:    Mallow, Cork, Ireland
Diocese:    Cloyne
Father:    Thos Sweeny
Mother:    Cath Fogarty

A possible second marriage only put in as the wife has the name Leary and there was a Cornelius Leahy/Leay (with Denis McCarthy) who were witnesses at the marriage in 1865. 

Cornelius Sweeny
Gender:    Male
Event Type:    Marriage
Marriage Date:    17 Feb 1874
Marriage Place:    Macroom, Ireland, Ireland
Diocese:    Cloyne
Spouse:    Johanna Leary


Having a look at the dog licence registrations, also on Ancestry,  could be useful as I would have thought a pig buyer would have a dog. 

[AlanR83]

Are you certain the occupation says Pig Buyer, I think i'll post it on the Handwriting section just to confirm. Why would a pig Buyer be living on Boyce's Stret in the centre of Cork City? surely that is a rural based job.

By the way I checked the Griffith's Valuation and there is a Mary Sweeny listed on North Street in 1853 & there is a Cornelius Sweeney listed as living at DEELISH, ABBEYSTROWRY   Parish which is only a few km's from North Street 

[shanreagh]

Are you certain the occupation says Pig Buyer, I think i'll post it on the Handwriting section just to confirm. Why would a pig Buyer be living on Boyce's Stret in the centre of Cork City? surely that is a rural based job.

By the way I checked the Griffith's Valuation and there is a Mary Sweeny listed on North Street in 1853 & there is a Cornelius Sweeney listed as living at DEELISH, ABBEYSTROWRY   Parish which is only a few km's from North Street

That may have been his occupation before he was ill.  It looks as though he was paralysed for 2.5 years before death and was possibly in a nursing home in Boyce's street so he could be looked after.

That is how I took it anyway. 

[AlanR83]

do you know was Pig Buyer a lucrative occupation? could it be his private house and he could afford a nurse?

Also I checked Cemetery records for St Finbar's & St Joseph's online - he's not listed as buried in either, would you have any idea what other cemeteries are close to Boyce's Street?

[shanreagh]

All I know about pig buying is that it is an essential and specialist rural occupation.  Many stock buyers work on commission locating good stock for breeding for (pig) farmers or selling good fattened stock to be killed.  Pig buyers were also employed by abattoirs.  Stock buyers have a superior knowledge of stock and breeding.   Market days were an essential part of the life of many towns/cities with stock or products brought in to be bought & sold.  Some towns had special butter, animal, poultry markets held regularly.  Often the cheese market was held indoors.  The centre of many towns had a square or market place where these markets were held.   

In Griffiths in Boyces St, psh of St Mary Shandon, a Morgan Sweeny leased a house, offices and yard from Patrick Sullivan valued at GBP4 15shillings.   Catherine Nagle  also have had a family dwelling there and she may be related to the Nurse Nagle on the death certificate.  These were classed as tenements.