Searching for information on my grandfather

[John Scott 1959]

I know I am sounding gushing in my thanks, but I really appreciate everyone's help. 

You don't sound gushing; just grateful & it's lovely. Anyone who helps far prefers any type of thanks to none 

 

[spendlove]

Hi

Re Ellen Harris she married Denwood John Jordan 14.2.1870 St. George’s Hannover Square, London.

Marriage per Ancestry image.
Their children found  so far

Nellie b.1874 Canada
Thomas b,1879 South bersted
Harriet b. 1877  “.          “

Spendlove

[..claire..]

Hi

Your Grandfather also visited Canada. Both documents appear on Ancestry.

In the Canada(Ocean Arrivals) dataset he appears as 17 years old from Bognor. Arriving in Canada to learn the trade of farming, passage was paid by his employer. His next of kin on that document was his father a 'Mr Frank Scott' of 28 Moreton Place, Westminster SW ( This address does exist but I can't find a Frank Scott living there) - although there is a Frank Herbert Pattinson in 1925 , may be worth checking this guy out

Arriving back in England 1925 (7 March) onboard the Montcalm his returning address is given as Laurel Cottage, Ivy Lane Bognor - where Annie Stamp was living.

Claire

[John Scott 1959]

Hi

Your Grandfather also visited Canada. Both documents appear on Ancestry.

In the Canada(Ocean Arrivals) dataset he appears as 17 years old from Bognor. Arriving in Canada to learn the trade of farming, passage was paid by his employer. His next of kin on that document was his father a 'Mr Frank Scott' of 28 Moreton Place, Westminster SW ( This address does exist but I can't find a Frank Scott living there) - although there is a Frank Herbert Pattinson in 1925 , may be worth checking this guy out

Arriving back in England 1925 (7 March) onboard the Montcalm his returning address is given as Laurel Cottage, Ivy Lane Bognor - where Annie Stamp was living.

Claire

My dad and his siblings always said that their dads dad was a Harry Pattinson or Patterson. My nan said he lived in the Isle of Wight. I have searched and searched this name and hit a blank. I have to admit that your research has shown me a rank amateur on researching. This is a serious lead for me. I have just put the name into ancestry and have hit a lot of stuff that is of serious interest.
 Claire I am in awe of you!     

[..claire..]

You are very welcome. 

Everybody on this wonderful site loves what they do and it's been a pleasure to help.

Claire

[John Scott 1959]

Hi all.

I have received the PDF of the birth extract of Frank George Scott. It explains a lot but leaves a lot of questions.

First that my grandfather was born locally after a lot of thought that he was born in London. I have done a search on his parents and as yet have not found anything that can take this line further but will keep looking over the coming days.

A couple of questions to those that may know or at least have an opinion.

The name Norah is spelt Norah in column 5 but Nora in column 5. The writing looks the same to me across the columns. If so would the registrar maybe filled in the name but maybe write it incorrectly?

The registration took place, as per column 8 on 13th July 1905 but the birth was a month earlier. Is this usual?

Can there be false information given to registrars of birth records back in 1905? My thinking is that maybe the names of the parents could be falsified because of possible "scandal"? I am maybe overthinking this but the profession of Commercial Traveller and the fact that the father was found in London under the name Frank Herbert Pattinson on later records has me wondering why the secrecy. Also, my Grandfather being on a 1911 censor as a cousin living in the place he was born with neither parent there. 

Again thanks to all for your assistance and I will keep searching. John.           

[John Scott 1959]

.   All other Grand parents have matches on Ancestry but not this line.

Have you attempted Colour Clustering your results? See
https://www.danaleeds.com/dna-color-clustering-the-leeds-method-for-easily-visualizing-matches/
which might give you a steer towards your four sets of great grandparents.

I only have one 2nd cousin and two 3rd cousins that DNA match me on Ancestry. I have read a bit further, and it seems that it is not worthwhile including 4th cousins. Pity as I was hoping this might assist. 

[nanny jan]

A couple of questions to those that may know or at least have an opinion.

The name Norah is spelt Norah in column 5 but Nora in column 5. The writing looks the same to me across the columns. If so would the registrar maybe filled in the name but maybe write it incorrectly?

The registration took place, as per column 8 on 13th July 1905 but the birth was a month earlier. Is this usual?

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The PDF is just a copy of the original registration; Nora would have signed her name as Nora so that is how it has been copied; the registrar used the other spelling and she did not correct them.  You are allowed 6 weeks to register a birth so it is not unusual that the birth was a month earlier.


As for false information.....my gt. grandparents registered all 10 of their children (1900-1920) as if they were married....but they weren't. 

[Rosinish]

Can there be false information given to registrars of birth records back in 1905? My thinking is that maybe the names of the parents could be falsified because of possible "scandal"? I am maybe overthinking this but the profession of Commercial Traveller and the fact that the father was found in London under the name Frank Herbert Pattinson on later records has me wondering why the secrecy. Also, my Grandfather being on a 1911 censor as a cousin living in the place he was born with neither parent there.           

The thing was, if a woman professed to be married then it was her word & she could give whatever info. she wanted without question.

It was the mother who registered his birth i.e. anything written were her words although it looks like they were unmarried unless they married outside England/Wales.

The census is only 1 night in 10 yrs i.e. your g/father could have been staying overnight for just 1 night.

Annie