John Irvin, mariner; drowned, died or ran away?

[Glen in Tinsel Kni]

I'm really struggling with this chap, a direct ancestor and brickwall.

I haven't found a baptism and only have his marriage cert which is almost worthless in terms of information.

Marriage 18 May 1848 Parish Church, Tynemouth

 John Irvin "of full age", occ; mariner, bachelor, son of John Irvin, occ; sawyer
Elizabeth Boag "a minor", spinster, dau of Richard Boag occ; waterman


He isn't with the family in 1851 or 1861 though Elizabeth is recorded as married. In 1871 she is a widow and head of the house.

The birth index shows an Elizabeth Ann Irvin mmn Boag born Tynemouth district in 1867, she appears in the 1871 mentioned above.

Two main issues are that I have no real clue when John was born and can't pin down a death.
I'm stuck with the 1848 marriage cert and 1867 birth of the daughter but can't find anything backwards of forwards from it to open up avenues to explore.

[Bee]

I've had a trawl around and can't find anything definite but clutching at straws is this a possibility

Death Q1 1868 Newcastle upon Tyne, aged 44, John Irving

[Glen in Tinsel Kni]

There's one at Tynemouth in 1864, too early given the birth of the daughter in 1867 but beyond that I'm really struggling.

[wivenhoe]

Marriage certificate, 1848.....what names do you see for witnesses?.....bride / groom / witnesses...are they literate?....does anyone sign with their mark?

[Annie65115]

There's one at Tynemouth in 1864, too early given the birth of the daughter in 1867 but beyond that I'm really struggling.

But of course that daughter could have been born after John's death, perhaps substantially after his death; she would still have been given his name, unless her mother had remarried by that time.

[Milliepede]

Did they have any other children or have you only found the 1867 one?

The surname could perhaps be under Irvine as well. 

[bevj]

The GRO index throws up children:

Mary Ann    1849
Elizabeth   1850  (d. 1851)
John     1852
Elizabeth   1853  (d. 1859)
Jane    1856
Robert   1862
Richard   1864
Elizabeth   1867

Bev

[Glen in Tinsel Kni]

Sorry not had notification of replies.

Witnesses in 1848;

Charles Irvin (his mark) & Thomas Oxley, signed.
Bride and groom both sign their names.


One child missing from the list in the last post is Richard Boag Irvin 1858-1860
Baptism in the name of Irvine, GRO birth index is Irwin

IRWIN, RICHARD BOAG mmn BOAG GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 131

[trish1120]

Wow someone has made a mistake on FreeREG for the 1848 Marriage Elizabeth as REAY not Boag.



Bapt same Church;
04 Jan 1832 THOMAS Irvin, son of JOHN/ANN, Father a Sawyer***
Abode Milburn Place

Burial of a JOHN Irvin 13 Sep 1849 age 55 of Cholera
Abode Pearson's Row, Milbourn Place

Cant see him on 1841 Census though!

Also Burial of child of John/Ann;
04 Jan 1832 ANN age 4 abode same address

Trish