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Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« on: Thursday 07 January 21 21:59 GMT (UK) »
Apologies if this is posted in the wrong area.
Im am trying to find the exact location of two streets found on the census, both in Shroeditch, London that no longer exist.
1906 - 17 Elva Place
1916 - 4 Pimlico Walk

Is there any way of finding where thes are/what they became, like on an old map or something? Would i have to go to the library local to these places to look up this information?

Many thanks in return
David

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Re: Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 January 21 00:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

For Pimlico Walk, go to

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.41&lat=51.53018&lon=-0.08256&layers=163&b=1

Note the search bar on the left - try changing these and you can explore how the streets changed over time.

Repeat for your other location.

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Re: Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 January 21 01:56 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat David.

You say these places are from the censuses but then you put dates of 1906 and 1916. Are these dates for these addresses from other records such as birth or marriage certificates?

The reason I mention censuses is because you can follow the enumeratorís route (on page 1 of any census), and look at neighbouring addresses to try to determine where your specific address was located.

There have been many name changes around the London area as well as general street changes due to bombing in WW2, slum clearances etc as I am sure you are aware. Being able to narrow the location down a bit often helps find them on a map.

There are many many maps online.  ;)


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Re: Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« Reply #3 on: Friday 08 January 21 08:30 GMT (UK) »
Maybe the street names have changed?

I use thehunthouse.com:
https://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Old_to_New_London_Street_Name_Changes.htm

There are a number of databases there:
Old to New Street Names, 1929-1945
Old to New Street Names, 1857-1929
and New to Old Street Names
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Re: Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 January 21 13:54 GMT (UK) »
So far, I haven't been able to find any mention of Elva Place. I wonder if it could be the name of a row of houses rather than a 'street'.

If you can give more details about the context of this address it might help eg was it from a census.

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Re: Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« Reply #5 on: Friday 08 January 21 14:43 GMT (UK) »
There was an Ilva Place in Shoreditch - is that the one?
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Re: Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« Reply #6 on: Friday 08 January 21 15:22 GMT (UK) »
London Street Listings Index in 1921.

Haggerston Road, Dalston E8, 131 Brunswick Street to 372 Kingsland Road
(West side to Acton Street & East Side to Albion Road are in Shoreditch; remainder is in Hackney)

West Side
... here is Dunston Road ...
1 Duke of Sussex, Walter H Arber
3 Skeel Horace Geo, fishmonger
5 Croll John, grocer
7 Baxter George, butcher
9 Sherman Davis, ladies tailor
11 Ellis Robert, wardrobe dealer
... here is Ilva Place ...
15 Cole James Henry, toy maker
17 Moody John, dining rooms
19 Bibby John Thomas, bedroom furniture maker
21 & 23 Kingsland Steam Joinery Works Limited
25 Diamond Wood Co Ltd, fire lighter manufacturers
27 & 29 Hackney Working Mens Club, Edward J Pipe, sec
London County Council School

Dunston Road runs alongside Regent's Canal.
There are relatively new developments in Haggerston Road, and a entrance into Garden Place - which may be a new name for Ilva Place?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 January 21 16:46 GMT (UK) »
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Garden Place - which may be a new name for Ilva Place?

Yes - that's confirmed on the web page that you linked to earlier https://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/New_to_Old_Abolished_London_Street_Names.htm
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Re: Finding current location of old streets that dont exist anymore
« Reply #8 on: Friday 08 January 21 17:40 GMT (UK) »
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Garden Place - which may be a new name for Ilva Place?

Yes - that's confirmed on the web page that you linked to earlier https://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/New_to_Old_Abolished_London_Street_Names.htm

Hmmm?!
Says 'Present Name - Ilva Place" and "Former Name - Garden Place" ;D
Changed pre-1912.

Google street view definitely shows Garden Place.
Would have thought that was the Present Name!
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