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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #99 on: Thursday 17 February 11 11:29 GMT (UK) »
hi garen , ive finally got to see the muster roll of my ggrandfather thomas williams private 840, he was with 1st batt, 5th reg NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS,and know i can definately tie in his childrens births in india during 1868-1879,any ideas as to how i could get their birth certs, thanks

Hello cuckoo

Sorry, not sure about India birth certificates (bit outside my area) - have you tried the overseas births at Find My Past? Also, you may already have this, but his service record is up there too - looks like he broke his arm while on service in Afghanistan and was debilitated from 13 years climate and service in the Indies.

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« Reply #100 on: Thursday 17 February 11 11:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi Garen,my great great uncle was a private in the 72nd(Duke of Albany's)Highlanders.His name was Henry Steen.As far as I know he recieved the Bronze star for the march to Kandahar with clasps for what looks like Peirua(maybe Peiwar Kotol),Chavaxia(maybe Charasiah),Kabul and Kandahar.I would if possible I  like confirmation of what the clasps should be.
Also do you know where I might find  artwork relating to the 72nd during the campaign.I have found some with the 93rd Highlanders but none so far for the 72nd who were in the thick of the battle ar Kandahar.
 Lastly where might I find an image of what uniform the 72nd were wearing at this time.
 I am trying to find out as much as possible about his army career and any help will be greatly appreciated.

add on. Now have images of uniform and his records.

George.

Hello George - I'm always interested in fellow 72nd researchers as I had two gggg-uncles in the regiment in Afghanistan. You say you've already got a picture and his record, but I'll put down some answers anyway.

You're right, the 72nd were in the thick of it all but there always seems to be more pictures of the 92nd than the 72nd (the 92nd also had their fair share of action, of course, but served for a shorter duration than the 72nd). I put it down to the 92nd wearing kilts and the 72nd trews, so the 92nd had more visual flair! There is a great photograph of a 72nd soldier, a later photograph but dressed as he would have been in 1879, in Victorian Colonial Wars by Philip J. Haythornthwaite, p.15 (1988). There are a few contemporary photos around too and prints from The Illustrated London News.

As you correctly suggest, Henry Steen received the Afghan War medal with clasps for Peiwar Kotal, Charasia, Kabul, Kandahar, and the Kandahar Bronze Star for the march - the maximum a 72nd soldier could get for one of the most decorated regiments in the conflict.

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« Reply #101 on: Thursday 17 February 11 12:02 GMT (UK) »
My mother was a Simpson from County Tyrone and her uncles enlisted in the 78th Highlanders and were killed in India or Afghanistan and I'd like to know more if that can be found. Their Christian names were Thomas, John, Walter, James, Hugh and Robert. Family story is that possibly only 4 served in India or Afghanistan. They may have enlisted when the regiment was in Ireland 1871 - 1873.
If anyone has any info, then I would appreciate it.
Thanks.

Hello rhec

Do you have any info on the source of your Simpson/78th connection - it might help with some pointers. The 78th did not suffer any casualties in battle, entering the arena in August 1880 towards the very end of the conflict, and garrisoning Kandahar later on.

As Alba11 helpfully said, the only Simpson shown in the 78th is the Pipe Major, John Simpson. There is a William Simpson in the 72nd (not a casualty).

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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #102 on: Thursday 17 February 11 12:08 GMT (UK) »
AlCollins here - I had a paternal great Grand Father Patrick McKenna born Tyrone 1840 - enlisted RHA in Newry in 1859 - based in Madras - believe serves in Artillery in Afghan and 3rd Burma Wars - last heard of in Burma in 1886 with rank of Conductor. Have searched National Archives, only found his enlistment at the British Library. Can not find where he died and is buried. Could someone help me, PLEASE!?

Hello Al

Does his enlistment state which Royal Horse Artillery battery he joined? As for his death, as he didn't die in the Afghan War it's a bit outside the area of expertise here, I'm afraid. Have you searched FreeBMD or Ancestry.co.uk for a possible UK death certificate? If you think he died in India or Burma, then the overseas deaths at FindMyPast might help.

Best of luck - Garen
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« Reply #103 on: Monday 21 February 11 11:18 GMT (UK) »
I've been researching my great-grandfather Duncan Gray for some months now.  I just want to say a big "Thank You, Garen" for the hints you have provided on your site, and your amazing enthusiasm for the Second Anglo-Afgan War.  I have managed to obtain my ggf's service record and also his medal roll entry.
I read from your site that you are not currently adding to your database but when you have time to start again I would be happy to provide the details of my research.  Just a quickie; Duncan Gray was a Sgt Major 2ndBatt/8th Foot and discharged in 1880, having joined up in 1858.
I think this forum is an excellent 'find'

All the best
Ken

Ken - thanks very much for those kind words. It would be great to add Duncan Gray to the database, so do feel free to send any info and I'll include him on the next update.

Thanks, all the best - Garen.
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« Reply #104 on: Friday 18 March 11 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Greetings Garen,
Just found you chat and thought you may be interested in my Great Grand Father, who was awarded the Afghan War Medal.  He was Tem'p Co'nd J. ALLEN Bo Ord Det.  Which I take to be Temperory Conductor J. ALLEN Bombay Ordnance Department.  He was not awarded any clasps.
I have transcribed the following from "The roll of Officers, NCOs and men entitled to the "Afghan War Medal" Signed at the Orderly Room, Poona on the 5th September 1881:    It states :  He crossed the frontier on the Quetta side of the Kojak and was at Kandahar since 28th September 1880.

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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #105 on: Saturday 19 March 11 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Hello Whitehunter

That's great - it's difficult to be aware of NCOs of the Bombay services as they're not on the widely available Afghan War medal roll, just in the India Office records. It would be great to add him to the database, so please feel free to send me any details you can, if you're willing.

You can see the Khojak Pass on my map here.

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« Reply #106 on: Tuesday 19 April 11 05:46 BST (UK) »
Just found this thread...all great stuff.

I think I have a relative that servered in the Afghan War in the 15th Hussars, by the name of Thomas Tomlinson.  He was a Troop Sergeant Major.  I actually started another thread asking for info as I hadn't found this one.

Whitehunter, what source are you using to get the information about your family member.  I would love to know more about Thomas Tomlinson's activities in the War.  Thanks!

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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #107 on: Tuesday 19 April 11 14:52 BST (UK) »
Hello cnickless

Yes, I see a Lance Sergeant T. Tomlinson (no. 1014) on the Afghan War medal roll for the 15th Hussars.

Was he born in Yorkshire c.1850? His service papers are up on FindMyPast.co.uk (you may already know this!).

Best wishes -
Garen
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