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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #468 on: Sunday 30 July 23 15:18 BST (UK) »
Hi nellie,

You may already know this but in case you don't A Battery, 2nd Horse Brigade (later C Brigade RHA) was formerly the 1st Troop, 1st Brigade Bengal Horse Artillery. Following the Indian Mutiny in 1857 the British realised that it was unsafe to leave the native Indian armies in control of their own artillery.  So, with the exception of the mountain artillery, all the artillery assets of the 3 former Presidency Armies (Bengal, Madras and Bombay) of the HEIC were absorbed into the British Army. However at the time of the Second Anglo-Afghan War, a good proportion of the gunners in the battery would still have been Indians, although virtually all the officers and a smattering of the NCOs would have been British.

Thank you Andy. I am just getting started on my adventure into the 2nd Anglo Afghan war. Using a link on Garen Ewing’s site, to Families in British India, I have managed to establish that my gtgt grandfather was in fact, a driver with the RHA.
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #469 on: Sunday 30 July 23 16:25 BST (UK) »
Nellie D,

There were several soldiers named William Biggs in the RHA and more than one served on the NW Frontier in the late 1870s.  Your man had several service numbers (see below) but I don't think 6200 was one of them.

Luckily his service records have survived https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO97%2F2303%2F052%2F001&parentid=GBM%2FWO97%2F2303%2F145669
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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #470 on: Sunday 30 July 23 16:32 BST (UK) »
Nellie D,

There were several soldiers named William Biggs in the RHA and more than one served on the NW Frontier in the late 1870s.  Your man had several service numbers (see below) but I don't think 6200 was one of them.

Luckily his service records have survived https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO97%2F2303%2F052%2F001&parentid=GBM%2FWO97%2F2303%2F145669


Yes, that’s my man. I put in the wrong number in error. I blame ADHD. WhenI am excited about something I am dreadful at not checking before I click send 😬
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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« Reply #471 on: Sunday 30 July 23 17:19 BST (UK) »
To be fair to Nellie, when I first read her post earlier this afternoon she had correctly said his number was 1699 because I remember parsing it as a date at first until I saw it was impossible.
My gt gt grandfather Bomb William Biggs 1699,


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« Reply #472 on: Sunday 30 July 23 17:56 BST (UK) »
His medical history looks typical for a European soldier serving in India, entry after entry for various local diseases and complaints like ague. He also went up and down the ranks a few times!

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« Reply #473 on: Sunday 30 July 23 18:24 BST (UK) »
His medical history looks typical for a European soldier serving in India, entry after entry for various local diseases and complaints like ague. He also went up and down the ranks a few times!
I am going to have to pay up for Find my Past aren’t I? Maybe an early Christmas present to myself 😂
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #474 on: Monday 31 July 23 12:44 BST (UK) »
Hello Garen.
I have been looking at you website with great interest.
My gt gt grandfather Bomb William Biggs 1699, was in A Battery, C Brigade of the RHA during the 2nd Anglo/Afghan War.
They were based at Peshawar, where my gt grandfather William was born.
It is an amazing piece of research that you have compiled and am looking forward to reading through the posts in this thread…I think it might take me a while.
Basically, I am trying to work out, which battles my gt gt grandfather’s brigade where involved in!

Hello Nellie

Thanks for your message (and the kind words :-))

To dive right in - A/C RHA did not serve in the Afghan campaign. Looking at the service paper of the William Biggs that ShaunJ kindly posted, it shows a detailed, interesting service, but no campaign medals.

Like many Royal Artillery men he moved around the batteries a bit, with his record mentioning L/A and B/F as well as A/C.

Just to confirm this is your William - he was born in Oxford and married Louisa Sybilla Hopgood in Southampton in October 1878. A daughter, Lilian Emily, was born in December. I see this Louisa does appear to be on the 1911 Oxford census with a son, William, b. Peshawar c.1881/82, so that would look like it's your William here (and I see them in 1891 too).

It would be worth looking to see when A/C RHA garrisoned Peshawar - Biggs is recorded on his papers being at Umballa Nov 1879 and Peshawar Dec 1880 (the Afghan conflict was officially over Sep 1880). A quick look at the Relief lists in the newspapers show A/C moving to Peshawar from Umballa at the end of 1880 and then from Peshawar to Sialkot in Jan 1882, so that fits.

A full and interesting history for William Biggs, but no Afghan war battles to mention, I'm afraid!

Best - Garen

Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80 - http://www.angloafghanwar.info
Family research - http://www.garenewing.co.uk/family/

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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #475 on: Monday 31 July 23 20:06 BST (UK) »
Thank you Garen.
That’s definitely my William Biggs.
I am very grateful to Andy for the images of my gt gt grandfather’s service records, just need to try and decipher them now 🤣
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« Reply #476 on: Monday 31 July 23 20:15 BST (UK) »
Garen
That’s very interesting about Umballa as it’s not all that far from Sanawar.
I knew that my William and Louisa’s daughter, Lilian Emily, had died whilst they where in India, but it was only by following through some of the links in your page that I discovered she had died in Sanawar. Further investigation sent me in the direction of the Lawrence Military Asylum at Sanawar and from there to the Old Cemetery, where I believe she is buried.
I was saddened that she would have been so far from her parents, who, I assumed, would be in Peshawar, but now I can see that might not have been the case.
I am going to try and make a time line of his postings and then map them out for a better idea of his travels.
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire